New Non-Emission Tractors

[Paystar]

Lately I have been seeing all kinds of adds in magazines and the farming channels on TV and Sirius Radio for these tractors like Zetor and some other Russian brand advertising they are tier 3 with no emissions BS and no electronics.

How are they allowed to sell NEW tractors with no emissions systems in the USA and Canada while all the other brands are forced to sell us junk?


Is it something like what the big truck manufacturers had for a while when this first started.......using emissions credits to build non-compliant engines until those credits ran out?

 

[oosik]

I think you may be seeing some overly aggressive advertising. I just got off the Zetor North America web site. They show that urea tanks/systems will be installed on their tractors where Tier 4 is required. It indicates that for areas/countries not requiring Tier 4 - there will be no provisions for urea use.

One small statement on many pages of hype.

 

[dodge man]

I just bought a JD2025 and it doesn't have DPF, EGR or any DEF tank, but it also below the magic 25 hp number.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I just bought a JD2025 and it doesn't have DPF, EGR or any DEF tank, but it also below the magic 25 hp number.

Ding, Ding. We have a thread winner.

If it's rated 25hp or below, it doesn't need anything.

 

[Rmart30]

We need some grey market imported Kubotas

 

[AlaskaL3130]

We need some grey market imported Kubotas[/QUOTE

Why go back to dirty, air polluting, cancer causing technology? Buying and maintaining those emissions systems is far cheaper than dealing with the health effects dirty internal combustion engines cause.

 

[mcfarmall]

We need some grey market imported Kubotas[/QUOTE

Why go back to dirty, air polluting, cancer causing technology? Buying and maintaining those emissions systems is far cheaper than dealing with the health effects dirty internal combustion engines cause.

I have yet to meet or hear of for that matter, anyone who can attribute any health problems DIRECTLY to a pre-Tier IV diesel engine. Notice the word DIRECTLY. Lots of people have asthma, allergies, lung cancer and the like but haven't heard of one DIRECTLY linked to diesel exhaust inhalation.

 

[Paystar]

Ding, Ding. We have a thread winner.

If it's rated 25hp or below, it doesn't need anything.

No, they were large ag tractors over 60 h.p. The Zetor adds are playing on Rural Radio on Sirius radio on the Canadian broadcast of Real Ag Radio. And they state tier 3 with no DPF or DEF fluid.

I just found the other add in Marketbook. It is for brand new MTZ 920 84 h.p. tractors. It says: Tier 3 with no DEF or DPF, no electronics, all mechanical, simple and reliable.

Or is it like Oosik says....false advertising.

 

[Paystar]

We need some grey market imported Kubotas[/QUOTE

Why go back to dirty, air polluting, cancer causing technology? Buying and maintaining those emissions systems is far cheaper than dealing with the health effects dirty internal combustion engines cause.

I won't even get into this debate but having emission controlled engines in big rigs and heavy equipment.....there is NO WAY ever I will deal with that ridiculous crap that does nothing to save the environment in my personal at-home life. NO WAY. And I just bought a 1955 Allis Chalmers to ensure that.
Try getting a $30,000 bill replacing the SCR system on a Detroit Diesel and see how much you like it.

So how do you think the environment is getting saved? How many factories have to make the DEF fluid, the plastic jugs and totes it goes in that you see in every garbage can and ditch along the highway. And all the components that get replaced on my big trucks weekly that go in the garbage. And all the van and tanker trucks that have to run to deliver all that DEF fluid. And the 4.7 US gallons of fuel my DD15 Detroits burn every time they do a parked regen where the truck is unproductive because you can't move it. And that is every 8 hours in the winter.

That's the thing about environmentalists......one sided and tunnel vision.

I'll take the death. Haven't you heard....EVERYTHING causes cancer now anyway. I'll leave it at that before I explode.

 

[AlaskaL3130]

I have yet to meet or hear of for that matter, anyone who can attribute any health problems DIRECTLY to a pre-Tier IV diesel engine. Notice the word DIRECTLY. Lots of people have asthma, allergies, lung cancer and the like but haven't heard of one DIRECTLY linked to diesel exhaust inhalation.[/QUOTE


I don't doubt you haven't personally heard of the health link, but the regulations are well supported by extensive research. I don't think the George Bush administration would have supported the legislation based on shoddy science.

 

[RickB]

I just bought a JD2025 and it doesn't have DPF, EGR or any DEF tank, but it also below the magic 25 hp number.

Which is exactly why the dealer I work for has sold several dozen L2501’s in the last 6 months.

 

[JK22]

I won't even get into this debate but having emission controlled engines in big rigs and heavy equipment.....there is NO WAY ever I will deal with that ridiculous crap that does nothing to save the environment in my personal at-home life. NO WAY. And I just bought a 1955 Allis Chalmers to ensure that.
Try getting a $30,000 bill replacing the SCR system on a Detroit Diesel and see how much you like it.

So how do you think the environment is getting saved? How many factories have to make the DEF fluid, the plastic jugs and totes it goes in that you see in every garbage can and ditch along the highway. And all the components that get replaced on my big trucks weekly that go in the garbage. And all the van and tanker trucks that have to run to deliver all that DEF fluid. And the 4.7 US gallons of fuel my DD15 Detroits burn every time they do a parked regen where the truck is unproductive because you can't move it. And that is every 8 hours in the winter.

That's the thing about environmentalists......one sided and tunnel vision.

I'll take the death. Haven't you heard....EVERYTHING causes cancer now anyway. I'll leave it at that before I explode.

Agreed. Not to mention the absolute crap fuel mileage caused by this junk.

 

[AlaskaL3130]

I've heard George Bush called many things......but "environmentalist" is a new one to me.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I've heard George Bush called many things......but "environmentalist" is a new one to me.

I would like to see YOUR answer to paystars post #9!

He's spot on!!

SR

 

[AlaskaL3130]

I would like to see YOUR answer to paystars post #9!

He's spot on!!

SR

Post #9 is an emotional response that proves nothing.

The George Bush era regulation should be scrapped because the dude who uses the DEF fluid tosses the container in the ditch rather than disposing of it responsibly?

Being from Alaska I am intimately aware of shipping costs. None of my friends in the industry say they took a pay cut because of the regulations, they simply raised their rates.

 

[JK22]

Post #9 is an emotional response that proves nothing.

The George Bush era regulation should be scrapped because the dude who uses the DEF fluid tosses the container in the ditch rather than disposing of it responsibly?

Being from Alaska I am intimately aware of shipping costs. None of my friends in the industry say they took a pay cut because of the regulations, they simply raised their rates.

“Disposing of it properly”? Uh like how? Recycling? Nope that’s out, in case you didn’t hear, there is no such thing as recycling plastic anymore. Landfill? Ah yes, very good for the environment and totally different than throwing it in a ditch. Burning? Wayyyyy more toxic than diesel exhaust. So what exactly do you mean?

 

[finn1]

Bunch of whining old geezers here.

I’m not going back to pre emissions control air quality, and neither are my grandchildren.

 

[paulfun9]

My guess on the original question is they were built and in the states before the tier 4 went into effect. If not the whole tractor at least the engine.

Having had to foot the bill on the repair of a tractor trailer I understand post 9 better than most. Those who think it’s all emotion please go pay the bill for the repairs and then come back after you get more familiar with the real effects.
He looks at this from one of the most realistic view points not a desk without any real first hand knowledge.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Post #9 is an emotional response that proves nothing.

The George Bush era regulation should be scrapped because the dude who uses the DEF fluid tosses the container in the ditch rather than disposing of it responsibly?

Being from Alaska I am intimately aware of shipping costs. None of my friends in the industry say they took a pay cut because of the regulations, they simply raised their rates.

SO, you refuse to answer his post... NO doubt, because it makes too much sense...

I lived in Alaska 25 years, there was NO recycling! And, once the Gulf War started, no one even wanted the junk steel or junk car's! Everything just went into the dumps! I was paid to burry more car's and junk, even drilling mud and everything else with a D-7 CAT, than I can even remember!

BTW, now Ca. would like to ban DEF, because too much of it is showing up as pollution!!

SR

 

[3Ts]

So how do you think the environment is getting saved? How many factories have to make the DEF fluid, the plastic jugs and totes it goes in that you see in every garbage can and ditch along the highway. And all the components that get replaced on my big trucks weekly that go in the garbage. And all the van and tanker trucks that have to run to deliver all that DEF fluid. And the 4.7 US gallons of fuel my DD15 Detroits burn every time they do a parked regen where the truck is unproductive because you can't move it. And that is every 8 hours in the winter.

That's the thing about environmentalists......one sided and tunnel vision.

And then there are the electric cars that are supposed to be so good for the environment. Ever wonder where all that "clean" electricity comes from? Lithium is mined in very few places in the world and none in the US. So, ore is shipped half way around the world for refining, then again to make the batteries, then more shipping for distribution. In the mean time where does the electricity come from to recharge the batteries? Just plug it into the wall - right? The power plant typically burns coal, coal has to be shipped as well. Or maybe nuclear reactor for electricity? Or hydro, but how did the dam get built? And what about the electric distribution grid?

My point is that in determining the level of pollution, one has to consider the entire chain of manufacturing, not just the end point which is what is typically done.