L6060HSTCC

[Hilbilly]

Yeah, the LA1055 + HD bucket is a good combo. When I was moving the dirt pile left over from excavating our house and got a bit aggressive, managed to lift the rear even with filled tires(~800lbs) and ~700lb flail mower on the back.

Can speak highly enough of the Grand L, between HST+ and the weight over the standard L they're great machines.

Wow!! The machine I had today would not quite lift the rear end with just a box blade on the rear (no ballast in tires).

I checked the bucket again and it says it's a "Light Material" bucket not "Light Duty". Not sure what the difference would be though.

I really like the HST+ too. Plus the tractor just sounds good as it's operating. No weird noises that don't sound right.

 

[DeereRack]

Here’s my little remedy for the no toolbox issue..$10 at Home Depot, Velcro’s around that bar.

I thought it would get in the way vision wise but I don’t go through the woods so it’s not an issue. Can be mounted on either side and can slide back and forth. No it doesnt hold a big log chain but it does hold a few hand tools, pins etc...

 

[SDT]

The bucket on this tractor has a tag on the back that states it's light duty.

I discovered the problem with this demo tractor being rough riding and making it hard to operated the throttle. The rear tires are not loaded and even with the bucket empty the back end is too light and bounces around. I put a homemade weight on the 3PTH that weighs about 900lbs and then the tractor rode much better.

I do the same thing with the treadle, ie use my toes to operate the forward and reverse functions. Rocking back and forth is just too uncomfortable. I think this will just take some getting used to.

Right now I'm leaning toward getting the L6060 but I need to think about it some more and talk to the dealer about a few issues and pricing before I make my final decision.



If I go for this tractor I will definitely get the HD bucket.

I too do not like the HST pedal on my L6060. Like some of you, I use the right side extension for both F and R, lifting with my toe for R.

I bought a 4 in 1 bucket with my ROPS L6060. The 4 in 1 bucket is probably twice as heavy as the standard bucket, compromising payload.

I change/repair my own tires so never use liquid ballast. I have two cast iron weights on each rear wheel. Still, it will not back up a slight incline on gravel with an empty bucket unless in FWA. I've ordered two more weights to bring it up to the maximum three for each rear wheel. This will not help much but will make it a bit less dangerous when maneuvering on hills with empty bucket and nothing on the three point. For any FEL work aside from moving a log around, I use the Cat II weight box bought with my M9960 that is suitable for use with either tractor and is filled with unopened bags of playground sand from Lowes.

Biggest complaint that I have with my 6060 is the useless position control lever stop.

SDT

 

[Motorboatin]

I checked the bucket again and it says it's a "Light Material" bucket not "Light Duty". Not sure what the difference would be though.

The light material bucket is meant for mulch and other light weight bulky material. It is larger than the 72" HD bucket

 

[Hilbilly]

I too do not like the HST pedal on my L6060. Like some of you, I use the right side extension for both F and R, lifting with my toe for R.

I bought a 4 in 1 bucket with my ROPS L6060. The 4 in 1 bucket is probably twice as heavy as the standard bucket, compromising payload.

I change/repair my own tires so never use liquid ballast. I have two cast iron weights on each rear wheel. Still, it will not back up a slight incline on gravel with an empty bucket unless in FWA. I've ordered two more weights to bring it up to the maximum three for each rear wheel. This will not help much but will make it a bit less dangerous when maneuvering on hills with empty bucket and nothing on the three point. For any FEL work aside from moving a log around, I use the Cat II weight box bought with my M9960 that is suitable for use with either tractor and is filled with unopened bags of playground sand from Lowes.

Biggest complaint that I have with my 6060 is the useless position control lever stop.

SDT

Wow, I just checked out the position control stop and can't believe how totally useless that thing is. Why would a company put such a piece of garbage on their tractor. I'm sure there is a very simple fix and yet Kubota chooses to continue using this. It does not speak well to their quality standards. Makes me question the rest of the tractor. What else is lurking in hidden places that they choose not to rectify? I'm returning the Demo tractor today and I'm going to ask the salesman to show me how to use it. After he is done attempting to adjust it, I should be able to get a price reduction on the tractor, :laughing:.

The light material bucket is meant for mulch and other light weight bulky material. It is larger than the 72" HD bucket

I sure hope the HD bucket is not smaller. This LM bucket is small enough. The bucket on my current Massey is a lot bigger but it is an aftermarket one.

 

[Ortimber]

Wow, I just checked out the position control stop and can't believe how totally useless that thing is. Why would a company put such a piece of garbage on their tractor. I'm sure there is a very simple fix and yet Kubota chooses to continue using this. It does not speak well to their quality standards. Makes me question the rest of the tractor. What else is lurking in hidden places that they choose not to rectify? I'm returning the Demo tractor today and I'm going to ask the salesman to show me how to use it. After he is done attempting to adjust it, I should be able to get a price reduction on the tractor, :laughing:.



I sure hope the HD bucket is not smaller. This LM bucket is small enough. The bucket on my current Massey is a lot bigger but it is an aftermarket one.

I can tell you that the JD position stop on their premium R tractors isn’t any better. Totally cheaped out on it.

 

[Hilbilly]

Well I took the Demo back and talked to the salesman about the things I like better on the Massey and the things I like better on the Kubota. I also asked him to show me how to use the 3PTH lever stop. I laughed as he struggled to get it to work and then asked why Kubota would put such a useless thing on their tractors. I was surprised when he started to defend it. I told him this was more suited to a cheapo Chinese tractor that sold for a LOT less, not on a top of the line PREMIUM tractor. I said it speaks volumes to me about how much Kubota really cares about the details on their tractors. It still bothers me that something so obvious and easy to fix has not been addressed. But in the end I made a deal on a new L6060. It is still Japan and should arrive in the Toronto warehouse in about a month or so and then a week or 2 before it gets to my dealer and then they have to put on the loader, fill the tires, etc. The only option I decided to get for now is the 3rd function kit. I think the standard seat will be fine but there is an area at the bottom rear that rubs against my butt. Hoping it will pack down and adjust to my body. I asked about the HD bucket and the salesman said he has sold about 1500 Kubota's with the standard LM bucket and never sold an HD one or had a complaint about the LM one. So I took his advise and stuck with the stock one. They did not have any HD ones in stock to even look at.

So now the wait begins.

 

[Fallon]

I have a piranha tooth bar on my bucket & really like it. Helps support the bottom of the bucket & doesn't get in the way. No issues with back dragging like a normal tooth bar. although it would turn you into a pirate if you kicked it with your shin. I assume it digs better, but I got it with the machine so can't compare it to no cutting edge.

 

[DeereRack]

Well I took the Demo back and talked to the salesman about the things I like better on the Massey and the things I like better on the Kubota. I also asked him to show me how to use the 3PTH lever stop. I laughed as he struggled to get it to work and then asked why Kubota would put such a useless thing on their tractors. I was surprised when he started to defend it. I told him this was more suited to a cheapo Chinese tractor that sold for a LOT less, not on a top of the line PREMIUM tractor. I said it speaks volumes to me about how much Kubota really cares about the details on their tractors. It still bothers me that something so obvious and easy to fix has not been addressed. But in the end I made a deal on a new L6060. It is still Japan and should arrive in the Toronto warehouse in about a month or so and then a week or 2 before it gets to my dealer and then they have to put on the loader, fill the tires, etc. The only option I decided to get for now is the 3rd function kit. I think the standard seat will be fine but there is an area at the bottom rear that rubs against my butt. Hoping it will pack down and adjust to my body. I asked about the HD bucket and the salesman said he has sold about 1500 Kubota's with the standard LM bucket and never sold an HD one or had a complaint about the LM one. So I took his advise and stuck with the stock one. They did not have any HD ones in stock to even look at.

So now the wait begins.

Congrats!

I think once you get used to the differences you’ll really like the Kubota over the Massey. At least I am. Yes there’s a few things the Massey has that beats the Kubota but they’re minor, and the Pluses outweigh the minuses in my opinion.

 

[Hilbilly]

I've been thinking about my first uses for the tractor, when it arrives and one will be digging a bunch of post holes using a Post Hole Auger (PHA). I bought one last year and have only used it a couple of times on my previous non DPF tractor and thought the best speed was just above an idle as it was easier to react if it felt like it was trying to get hold of a large rock. Now I'm wondering what will happen if I use this for a few days operating at just above an idle speed. Will the DPF filter clog and cause problems or will it just go into a regen more often. Of course that will mean I may have to stop working unless I find the higher RPM's at regen speed to be ok.

Anyone have experience with something similar, ie days of operation at idle or using a PHA at higher speed in rocky soil?

 

[vvanders]

My first ~20 hours were puttering with the loader (at least until spring kicked in and mowing picked up). Hit my first regen at 30 hours because of it and had no issues.

We just put in 34 post holes last week, idle is just about the perfect speed. Even at idle if your running the digger it'll generate a higher exhaust temp as the governor compensates for resistance in the auger.

 

[Fallon]

Running the machine at lower RPM will plug up faster. But that's what they designed for. The whole regen process is designed to clean the filter periodically when it starts plugging up.

These days it takes me 10-20 hours from a regen until the next one is needed. I'll run at higher RPM most of the time, but will putter around at a lesser RPM if needed.

I need to run at high RPM due to having a hydraulic PHD (15hp at best with the flow on my L4060). On my old L3200 with a PTO PHD I never ran it at more than half throttle. Even at half throttle it was a bit sketchy & wild. I had around 25hp PTO on the L3200, so noticably more power on the smaller machine.

 

[Hilbilly]

Thanks guys. I won't give it another thought and just let it do its thing.

 

[DeereRack]

I’ve got 35 hours on mine now. Hardly ever run it at full throttle and a lot at 1/4-1/2 throttle and it hasn’t regened yet. I watch the PM (particulate matter) gauge, it will rise with lower rpms but seems to go down when I crank it up.

 

[Fallon]

I’ve got 35 hours on mine now. Hardly ever run it at full throttle and a lot at 1/4-1/2 throttle and it hasn’t regened yet. I watch the PM (particulate matter) gauge, it will rise with lower rpms but seems to go down when I crank it up.

The regen cycle for a DPF is just dumping more fuel in so it burns inside the DPF. That heat cooks off all the accumulated soot. Running a machine hard generates a lot of heat & can indirectly do the same thing to a lesser extent. If the machine is loafing rather than being worked hard it won't generate the heat & self-clean. So its partially the RPMs, but more with working the machine hard.

 

[Hilbilly]

I checked on the delivery date today and was told it should arrive in Toronto on May 15. It then gets shipped across the country and should arrive at my dealer around the 29th of May. Give them a week or so to get it all together and put on the third function and I should see it around the first week of June.

I still have to decide if I want to get the air ride seat or stick with the basic one.

 

[daugen]

I think you'll be very happy with your new Kubota after you get it slightly customized/improved. Congrats, 5 long weeks...

My initial reaction to the 1000 bucks more for the trade back was house was protecting salesman's commission, or insisting on
minimum profit on every transaction. That's fine if customer does not walk out door first.
There should be a metal plate on every tractor showing date of manufacture.

It would be nice if there was a site where you could enter your VIN and it would spit back the model year.
I wonder if good old Google has that info.

To me the real issue of one model year or another is less relevant than how long has this tractor been
sitting out in the sun? Kubota orange fades and put a couple of years of dealer lot sun on it, and it's just not going to look
like a new one. Tires, rubber hoses, all kinds of things slowly degrade over time. Keep the equipment out of the sun and I would shrug off
the other stuff. But if you intend to keep your tractor looking nice, in a barn or covered shed, and it's been sitting outside for two years,
without getting a discount of some sort for a two year old piece, I'd probably pass. Why not get brand new and full life out of the paint and rubber.
They also have better tire options now vs years ago. Like the Nokian TRI 2's you now see in JD and Kubota marketing pieces. Awesome tire
for snow plowing.

I had no idea HST had gone to six speeds. I really miss my 5740, same one Triple R has, mostly for the ease of trans use, switch to powershuttle, no matter how
fingertip light, has not been easy for me. My loader work in a pile is awful compared to before.
but the bigger cab and huge improvement in comfort still made the "move up" worth it.

I get a lot of hydraulic whine in my new tractor. HST's are notorious for whine. My Kubota whined and whistled.
Would be nice if they could quiet that down.

 

[daugen]

Paul Short is a sensitive guy and knows the rules about advertising, which is a real no no and offends everyone, so
hinting that he might be breaking the rules is a little insulting to him. On the other hand you did say LOL, and threads do have to be
reigned in at times. We surely go astray, even if having fun. Very few of us have helped others as much as Paul
has. He gets a pass...and should have nice stack of get out of jail cards on his desk. He has earned them.
He's probably still plowing snow up there. In his custom cab with 6 speaker stereo, cameras showing every angle on his tractor
including top down, massage seat with heat of course, and probably a microwave to heat up his coffee cup.:thumbsup:

 

[s219]

The pedal. Well when I test drove the Kubota in the dealers lot (15 minutes tops) I liked it. Made the deal, took delivery of it and for some reason I didn稚 like it as much. I think the test drive I wasn稚 running it real hard?? But now I have been using it and have it down good and love it. I don稚 put my whole foot on it and rock it like it痴 designed to do. Too hard to go max speed like that. For forward I your my foot all the way to the right, and to go back I move my foot so my toes do the pushing on the back of the pedal. I don稚 know if that makes sense but I don稚 hafta think about it while running it.

I do the same thing with the treadle, ie use my toes to operate the forward and reverse functions. Rocking back and forth is just too uncomfortable. I think this will just take some getting used to.

I am surprised how many people struggle with the treadle, and wonder if Kubota loses sales over this. It's not meant to put the whole foot on. I think it made more sense when the treadle was under the floor and only the two small pads poked up through the floor (forward for toes and reverse for heels). Then it was easy and obvious to use toe and heel. When they moved the whole treadle above the floor I think it started looking like a single "pedal" and caused confusion and poor ergonomics.

My L3200 has the treadle above the floor but has distinct toe and heel pegs, so it's easy to operate like older Kubotas that had the separate toe and heel pads poking out of the floor. Pivot leg forward and use toes for forward with heel on the floor, or pivot leg back and use heel for reverse with toes on the floor. I may have only gotten used to this because my previous Kubota had the separate toe and heel pads poking out of the floor, so I had the muscle memory.

 

[Hilbilly]

There is a site you can go to and find out the model year of the tractor, for Massey anyways. It's the Massey parts site. Type in the Vin and it spits out the model year. That is where I got the info. The Massey VIN tells you where the tractor was built, the model year, the week in that year it was built and what number that tractor was in the that weeks build.

I had a Powershuttle on my previous Massey and thought it was great until I drove the Hydro. The very first time driving into a pile of material and backing out I knew that is what I NEED and want. The same with the cab. For me the only downside with the hydro (so far) is the whine, seems to be more prominent when it's working hard. I usually wear ear plugs so that won't be an issue, I hope.

I checked out the Nokian tires and I think I should have paid more attention to tire selection. I use my tractor the most in the winter and those tires would have been a better choice for my use. I went with R4's and will chain up as needed. I want the better chains like Trygg that offer a smoother ride. I looked earlier this year but couldn't find a dealer that had any and it appears they do not have a listing for a 17.5 x 24 tire or for the front 10 x 16.5. I ran ladder chains on the front of my previous tractor and that made a huge difference but it was hard on the tractor and me because of the hard bumpy ride. I was pretty sure that would cause problems over the long term and need to find a better solution for this tractor.

The treadle pedal is not my favorite thing about the tractor but I think I will get used to it. I did read another post where someone said that was a deal breaker for them but that could have been a Kubota basher or it could have been the real thing. Sometimes it's hard to tell.