Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST

/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #1  

pmeyers

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My first post on this forum, just joined today. I have 20 acres of mountain property in the Sierras that we lost to a forest fire about 20 years ago, including all of the structures and every single tree. My wife and I want to resurrect the property for our grandkids including planting a lot of trees, install irrigation and some out buildings. Recently a 2013 Mahindra 25 Max Hst tractor was posted for sale locally and I would appreciate some help in determining if it a good value. Never have owned a tractor. It is very clean and well cared for. It is original owner, has 280 hours, a backhoe attachment, an unused 12" post hole digger, and an unused box scraper. It also appears to have a small hydraulic leak on the right side rear that is related to the backhoe attachment. Owner claims it loses very little fluid and is likely a leaking seal. Owner is firm at $15,000 Any help is greatly appreciated. pmeyers
 
/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #2  
Mahindra Max 25

2012 - 2014 Max Series
Manufacturer: Mahindra
Original price (USD)
$13,440 (2012 ) ((base tractor, no Backhoe))

$17,500 with FEL + Backhoe ((??))
PLUS SALES TAX FOR ORIGINAL BUYER.


Mahindra Max 25 Engine:
Mitsubishi 1.3L 3-cyl diesel
Mahindra Max 25 Power:
Engine: 25 hp [18.6 kW]
PTO (claimed): 20 hp [14.9 kW]

Capacity:
Fuel: 6.1 gal [23.1 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: 1
Control: position control
Rear lift: 1,400 lbs [635 kg]

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: live
Rear RPM: 540
Engine RPM: 540@2376
Mid PTO: optional
Mid RPM: 2000
Engine RPM: 2000@2556

Dimensions & Tires:
Weight: 1,693 lbs [767 kg]
Front tire: 6x12
Rear tire: 9.5x16
Length: 104.1 inches [264 cm]
Width: 50.7 inches [128 cm]
4WD turn radius: 7.2 feet [2.2 m]


Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x4 MFWD 4WD
Steering: power
Brakes: wet disc
Cab: Two-post foldable ROPS.

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Rear valves: 1*
Pump flow: 4.6 gpm [17.4 lpm]
Steering flow: 2.7 gpm [10.2 lpm]

Electrical:
Ground: negative
Charging system: alternator
Charging amps: 50



Page information:
Last update: April 20, 2016
Copyright: Copyright 2016 TractorData LLC
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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #3  
I have 20 acres of mountain property in the Sierras.

Mahindra Max 25 is a subcompact tractor, the lightest category of authentic tractor.
Subcompact tractors are mostly used in low stress residential landscaping applications.
With a front tire sized 6 X 12 Max has minimal ground clearance to cross rough ground and downed tree debris. Expect to "high-center" regularly working uneven land.
Altitude reduces engine power output.

This would be an excellent tractor to use as a homeowner learning tool on flat terrain at moderate altitude. Too light for the tasks you list, which indicate a multi-year project requiring stability challenging tasks. It is easy to injure yourself learning to operate any tractor on other than flat ground. Tractor rollover is a life threatening event.

MORE: tractor stability on slopes - Google Search

Mitsubishi produced tractors badged for Mahindra are high quality.

VIDEO: mahindra max 25 - YouTube

I recommend a tractor with at least 3,000 pounds bare tractor weight. Four thousand pounds bare tractor weight better.




The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Heavier tractor weight is more important for most tractor operations than increased tractor horsepower. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models, new and used. The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to list tractor applications first, then determine bare tractor weight needed to safely accomplish your tasks.

Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, bare tractor weight must increase 50% before you notice a significant tractor capability increase. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential or hobby farm applications on one to ten flat acres. Subcompact and compact tractors under 3,000 pounds will enter a residential garage with typical 84" door height.

Selling a used tractor is easy. Selling multiple light implements in order to buy heavier, wider implements for a heavier tractor requires a lot of time. Depreciation on implements is generally greater than depreciation on a tractor.

Heavier tractors are built on larger frames with larger wheels/tires. A heavier tractor with large diameter tires has more tractive power pulling ground contact implements, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Large wheels and tires increase ground clearance, enabling a heavier tractor to bridge holes, ruts and downed tree limbs with less bucking and disturbance operating over rough pasture and woodland.



Safe hillside operation demands more tractor weight than level land operation. Heavier tractors have adjustable rear wheel spreads; wide rear wheel spreads hugely improve tractor stability. Four wheel drive is essential on hillsides. Four wheel drive supplies increased traction. When descending slopes 4-WD augments rear brakes as tractor weight shifts forward, decreasing rear tire grip.

Compact tractors optimized for hill work have liquid installed in the rear tires rather than air. "Loaded" tires are filled 50% to 75% with liquid, which lowers the tractor's center-of-gravity, increasing rollover resistance. "Loading" two compact tractor rear tires will increase tractor weight 300 pounds to 800 pounds over weight of identical two tires inflated with air.
 
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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #4  
If you enter your location in your T-B-N PROFILE members will inform you of used tractors for sale near you. Perhaps the majority of used tractors are offered via internet listing.

Location would permit us to research your altitude.

PARAGRAPH your posts.




Good Luck in your worthy project.
 
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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #5  
Jeffy gets carried away w/ the instructional tutorial . You can design your own post format, sentence structure is NOT dictated in the rules. The location was noted in OP post, more than adequate. Not necessary to reformat avatar.

Jeffy's mantra never changes, buy too much tractor, the price for the mahindra seems a little high but not a pricing expert. Suggest you visit this forum post under mahindra forum. See screenshot. This is an excellent owner's journal, very informative. See mahindra owner/operating, scroll down to title in screenshot.
 

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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST
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Jeff9366, Thank you for the information above. Added to the profile. A lot to chew on. The altitude of the property is 6,000'. We don't winter up there, so all of the work we will do does not consider snow. We have recently had a lot of road work and grading done. The tractor would be primarily used for planting trees and shallow irrigation lines. Would be interested in thoughts about whether the price seems fair as well. In the description forgot to mention that the tractor has a 5' bucket for the loader and has 4 wheel drive .
 
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$15,000 with low hours, well cared for, two implements, no sales tax in California, an expensive market for tractors ~~~ seems like a buy to me.

VIDEO: How To Evaluate A Used Tractor - YouTube

Used tractors on eBay, near Zip Code 93527: tractor -truck -tug -aircraft in Business and Industrial Supplies | eBay



Tractors and altitude: tractor horsepower vs altitude - Google Search

Max 25 with 25-horsepower at sea level will produce around 21-horsepower at 6,000' altitude.

Turbo-charged tractors, which are offered around 50-horsepower, do not lose engine power with altitude.


Owning/operating a tractor will inspire you to additional projects almost immediately.
 
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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #8  
Jeff9366,

Great information for a first time tractor owner.

Bob
 
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My son owns a Mahindra 26 shuttle. A very nice tractor for its size. We like it due to its size to go between the trees. But limited ground clearance. It will not pull a box blade or work the FEL without weighted tires. For clearing trees, look for forks or a grapple and a good chain saw. Forks are cheaper and you can do a good job. Keep the ROPS up and the seat belt on. Hills are another reason to weight the tires. As I have not driven the HST, I would like to hear from owners with small HST for hill sides. The dealer my son got his from, did not think the HST would pull the hills at our place. Good luck with your project.
 
/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST
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Great information Jeff3966. Helpful video on what to look for when evaluating a tractor. Good link to that journal post Majorwager. mred2, I was surprised by this: " It will not pull a box blade or work the FEL without weighted tires." Is that on the flat? Maybe I am expecting way too much from this tractor?
 
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Jeff9366,

Great information for a first time tractor owner.

Bob

I agree, he takes the time to outline many valid points and the information that he posts is very helpful to a new tractor buyer..
 
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Think you’re shooting way too small for 20 acres of mountain property.

What’s the budget?

Recommend looking at the Kubota L series or Korean equivalent with 2500lb+ weight. I believe the Massey Ferguson’s have turbocharged diesels which would eliminate power loss from altitude.
 
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1) I was surprised by this: " It will not pull a box blade or work the FEL without weighted tires." Is that on the flat?

2) Am I expecting too much from this tractor?


1) On flat ground a Backhoe is perfect counterbalance to Front End Loader lifts. On slopes, however, a (tall) Backhoe raises the center of gravity of the tractor decreasing tractor stability.


Bare tractor weight distribution is 40% front, 60% rear.

Add a Loader and weight distributions becomes 50% front, 50% rear. (+/-)

Pick up a bucket of DRY material and weight distribution becomes 60% front, 40% rear. Rear wheels should stay on the ground but rear will probably feel light.

Pick up a bucket of WET material or a green log and weight distribution becomes 70% front, 30% rear and there is a good possibility rear wheels will lift off the ground, putting all the stress on the thin front axle which is pierced so it can pivot to steer the tractor. Front wheels/axle may not be aligned perpendicular to tractor, consequently three wheels can be in the air in an instant, rolling the tractor.

"Loading" rear tires 50% to 75% full with liquid acts as ballast on compact tractors, however on subcompact tractors the rear tires are so small "loading" with liquid does not add much weight.

On flat ground a Backhoe is perfect counterbalance to Front End Loader lifts and should return weight distribution with bucket loaded with wet material to around 40% front, 60% rear.

Box Blades are often carried as FEL counterbalance. Box Blade should balance weight distribution with FEL bucket loaded with wet material to around 55% front, 45% rear. (Box Blades vary considerably in weight.) Caution advised transporting heavy FEL loads: KEEP THE BUCKET LOW.

The farther counterbalance weight protrudes to the rear the more effective counterbalance is due to leverage. Therefore 130 pounds of loaded rear tire weight on a subcompact tractor is LESS effective as counterbalance than 130 pounds carried on the Three Point Hitch. Regardless, Max25 rear tires should be "loaded" to lower tractor center of gravity working your sloped land.



The ability to pull a Box Blade relates to tractive power. In order to use a Box Blade the Backhoe must be removed and the Three Point Hitch components installed, then the Box Blade mounted on the Three Point Hitch.

The most important factor in tractive power is tractor weight. Other factors: wheel/tire size, 2-WD or 4-WD, air or liquid in rear tires, tire type, sharpness of tire tread, Loader or no Loader, tractor horsepower; in about serial order. Tractor tires grip some types of dirt better than other dirt.

Weight of Box Blade is important, as is weight of load being transported in the Box Blade. With just 21-horsepower at 6,000' altitude, I speculate Max 25 will not have enough engine power to spin the tires = lose traction. If it does lose traction you can lift the Box Blade a tad and allow some of the load to flow out. The soils in Tulare County are pretty tough. A light Box Blade behind a light tractor will consume considerable time making multiple passes when grading.



2) Mahindra Max 25 is a subcompact tractor, the lightest category of authentic tractor.
Subcompact tractors are mostly used in low stress residential landscaping applications.

Max has minimal ground clearance to cross rough ground and downed tree debris. Expect to "high-center" regularly working uneven land. Pushing with the Loader will usually free a high-centered, 4-WD tractor.

Max 25 with 25-horsepower at sea level will produce around 21-horsepower at 6,000' altitude.

I "guesstimate" FEL lift capacity at 700 pounds with ample counterbalance. About four wheelbarrow loads.
 

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/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #14  
My first post on this forum, just joined today. I have 20 acres of mountain property in the Sierras that we lost to a forest fire about 20 years ago, including all of the structures and every single tree. My wife and I want to resurrect the property for our grandkids including planting a lot of trees, install irrigation and some out buildings. Recently a 2013 Mahindra 25 Max Hst tractor was posted for sale locally and I would appreciate some help in determining if it a good value. Never have owned a tractor. It is very clean and well cared for. It is original owner, has 280 hours, a backhoe attachment, an unused 12" post hole digger, and an unused box scraper. It also appears to have a small hydraulic leak on the right side rear that is related to the backhoe attachment. Owner claims it loses very little fluid and is likely a leaking seal. Owner is firm at $15,000 Any help is greatly appreciated. pmeyers

I think you need to clarify whether you still need to clear dead timber from your property, or if this has already been done. Clearing timber is big job that requires some size. Since the fire was 20 years ago, what's growing there now? Is there brush you need to clear? Also what is your soil like? If your tasks are what you stated--planting trees and installing irrigation--you don't need a lot of size.

I have a new Max 26XL HST and it's quite good on my steep property (40% grades), with filled tires. There's a clinometer app on smart phones that you can use to measure your slope; that might be useful for determining the best tractor for your property. IMO HST is better for slopes than gear or shuttle shift, for a few reasons. Jeff brings up a good point: backhoe attachments aren't really designed for use on hills.

I would visit a local dealer and get a quoted price to compare with the used price.

Sounds like a wonderful project, restoring land that has been devastated by fire. That will be a good feeling!
 
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One of the first things I learned here (on my first day as I recall) was that scrolling past Jeffy's encyclopedias makes reading threads go much faster.
 
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Believe we seldom agree but we do on the encyclopedia reference. Often it is a regurgitation of tractor data or superfluous you tube videos that a 4 year old and a Google app could produce instantaneously. New owners or potential owners are not MORONS. Suspect many if not all have reviewed many relative posts before joining. They dangle a toe in the sand to solicit max response, but the listing of tasks suggests more astute awareness. How can tractor buyers become suddenly incompetent after purchasing automobiles, property, homes, investments, underware?

Simply defies logic ! Last point. How many tractors are sold annually in just the US. Thousands !!! Think new RK alone has sold more than 1000 alone. How many folks actually solicit personal forum advice?? A Virtual handfull, correct? So the rest employ the method utilized for all other purchases in life. They do research, their own research. No doubt some read these forum posts, skipping the encyclopedias, and focus upon the posts that are less verbage, more relative substance. All posts are just opinions, this one included.

Suspect new buyers don't make as many errors as the encyclopedia author would have folks believe.
 
/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #17  
The concern with new tractor buyers, me included, is you don't know what you don't know. When I started shopping a few months ago there was a lot to look at and digest. Made a spread sheet with the tractor specs, prices and plus and minus, including dealer service etc. I was convinced that I needed something in the Kubota L size, but ended up with a BX and glad I did. The BX is about the perfect size for our wooded trails. A little FEL work, a lot of box blading trails and mowing with the rotary cutter.

An L could get things done a lot quicker, but would have had a hard time turning around on the trails.

I think what I found out was set your budget, get a tractor within that budget that fits you needs and have the capability of performing the tasks you want to get done. There are always options that are nice to have but not necessarily needed.
 
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Are rear wheel spread widths adjustable on the Mahindra Max series, or do wheel spacers need to be installed to increase rear wheel separation?
 
/ Considering a Mahindra 25Max HST #19  
Jeffy,
Read the owner journal produced by Girl Who Wants a Tractor. It answers every question feasible that a MAX Series owner or curious party might wish to know about this tractor line up


And since you obviously have NO experience w/ a B H attachment, know that when traveling at grade, operators frequently lower the boom, to offset any negative gravitational forces. There are certain benefits of ownership that are countered by the inaccurate speculation of tractor experts, that simply spread misinformation. Try this: Own it, use it, then comment and DON'T believe all you tube videos are hatched through Devine revelation.
 
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Are rear wheel spread widths adjustable on the Mahindra Max series, or do wheel spacers need to be installed to increase rear wheel separation?

Mine aren't adjustable. The wheels are already mounted to provide max spread. You can get wheel spacers after-market only, but it's not clear whether that would affect the warranty on a Mahindra.
 
 
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