Trane air conditioner Good??

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coffeeman

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Just got price on new 3 1/2 ton air conditioner . Is Trans good choice? $3800. is total cost. Replacing Air handler inside, lines and outside air-condition unit. However, he hasn't given us any

more info than tonnage of 3 1/2 . and 10 year warranty. It's air only, no heat pump. What other questions should be asked? Our old one is 34 years old.

Cheers....Coffeeman
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #2  
I have had two of them in my home for twenty years. Just replaced the first one with another trane two years ago, the other one is still going strong.
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #3  
From what I've read Trane is supposed to be one of the best. Whatever brand your old one is - you sure got your money worth out of it.
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #4  
The efficiency rating- SEER rating is the name
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #5  
They are about as good as most anything else out there.

Your price sounds great from what I'm hearing. I would guess your equipment costs around $2800 because it is Trane.

What SEER rating is it? The higher it is, the more money it costs, but the more efficient they run.

If it were me, I'd pay a bit more to get a 16 Seer over a 14 Seer rating. If you go for a higher than 16 Seer, the systems start getting more complicated with 2 speed or variable speed blowers. These require a circuit board card. Some 16 Seer require these too. They work great when they work, but they usually have a solenoid or something on them that goes out.

Your 30+ years life of your old system is almost unheard of nowadays. I would expect you could lower your electricity for running the AC down as much as 30%
 
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Just got price on new 3 1/2 ton air conditioner . Is Trans good choice? $3800. is total cost. Replacing Air handler inside, lines and outside air-condition unit. However, he hasn't given us any

more info than tonnage of 3 1/2 . and 10 year warranty. It's air only, no heat pump. What other questions should be asked? Our old one is 34 years old.

Cheers....Coffeeman

So how old is the house? original sizing of AC unit is based on sq. footage and ideal initial install insulation.
Consider getting a SEER 1 or higher instead of the 12 or 14. The condenser unit will be larger and have more efficient heat rejection, thus reducing electrical billing. Some utilities have rebates something to consider looking into.
Trane is a quality unit. 34 years is about 14 years past due.
Is the $3800 the condenser unit and also the air handler inside?
If yes it is a good deal.
Points to consider:
What size of air filter does this unit have?

Some units have a 4" filter housing and some a 1" filter housing.
A 4inch think air filter will last longer and filter more efficiently then a 1 inch air filter. The MERV ratings are flexible and provide quality filtering options for those with allergies etc.

Now is also the time to inspect the air ducts. Are they made of sheet metal? If yes, most likely they leak and the attic is a comfy place for critters.
Speaking from experience in a 40 year old house.
So either repair and reseal the joints and have them cleaned out or replaced.
If the present unit burned out with a compressor failure, the copper refrigerant line will have contaminants and will contaminate the new unit and contribute to a possible shortened life. I had the line replaced in ours.
Ask if the installer if they will dehydrate the new unit by pulling a slow vacuum to dry out the lines from condenser to air handler unit. Many times a contractor will sweat the lines in and open the condenser and check the charge and 'trust' the installed filter dryer. This is just lazy.

When the new air handler is installed a new air box should be built to have a tight fit over the air discharge into the distribution trunk.
The base that the unit sits on is it sound? Water over flow many times leaks past the drain pan due to clogged drain and the wood rots.
So this is a point of inspection also.

lastly it should have a breaker / disconnect near the compressor. This is a great location to install a surge arrestor to mitigate potential compressor burn out from line surges during storms.
I've many thread here and I may get lots of negative comments on why not to use them.
But there is no utopia.
We research and make our best guessed decisions best on our research and your mileage will always vary.
On edit: A heat load analysis is a good idea if it is within one's budget. Or talk to your provider about a heat load assessment based on condition of house, windows air ducts etc.

Our first house was a tract house with a 2 1/2 ton unit I went up to a 3 ton unit. It lowered my monthly bill and still removed the humidity but did not work as hard. Once a house settles, insulation settles and house shifts there are countless air entry points. So a sizing chart may say 2 1/2 ton for a given square footage but other factors are at play. Our second house was 40 years old and we went from a 3 1/2 ton to a four ton for same reason, with same results.

Hope this helps you get on a good path to help cope a very hot summer.
Regards.
 
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The cost to increase SEER can be a black and white mathematical calculation based on the cost of electricity, the efficiency (insulation etc) of the home and your climate. If electricity is high and the temps are high then paying more for a higher SEER is probably worth it if you plan to live there a while. On the other hand if electricity is cheap and you are in a mild climate with a modern home paying extra for higher SEER may never pay you back.
 
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Ask to have a heat loss calculation done, Right J software is the industry standard. A unit that old was most likely sized strictly by the square footage of your home and did not factor in window efficiency, insulation quality, the homes orientation, basement or not, one story or two, and even what ground cover is around the home such as grass or asphalt...Right J does. The installation MUST include flowing nitrogen through the lines while brazing and pulling a vacuum on the lineset and coil before opening the valves on the condensing unit.
 
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Fabulous advice above.

Yes, Trane still seems to be good.

Curious, why no heat pump????

The OP does not have location on his profile.
If he is up north there is point of diminishing returns on a heat pump up north.
There will not be enough heat rejection that will flow into the house.

If he lives in a more southern geographical region a heat pump is a good way to go.
Until OP shares his location, it is an unknown for us.
 
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before you go changing to thicker return filters. You need to ask the person installing the unit if the return is sized for such filters. You could restrict air flow and cause all types of issues.

When I was in business, Trane was my ''top line equipment'' They are no better than the others. Some people just wanted a Trane...Good advertising on Trane's part, I guess.
Haven't you heard ? ''It's hard to stop a Trane'' LOL

it seems all brands leak these days. Higher pressures, Coils are made thinner .

I also agree with a manual J
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #12  
it seems all brands leak these days. Higher pressures, Coils are made thinner .

To get efficiencies demanded these days coils have to be thinner for better heat transfer, parts lighter for less power consumption, etc, etc. Some of it leads to shorter life so units that last for 20 or 30 years may be a thing of the past.
 
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Trane is good as any but proper installation is far more important than type of equipment. The experienced techs are doing repair during busy season,rookies do installs.
 
/ Trane air conditioner Good?? #14  
The cost to increase SEER can be a black and white mathematical calculation based on the cost of electricity, the efficiency (insulation etc) of the home and your climate. If electricity is high and the temps are high then paying more for a higher SEER is probably worth it if you plan to live there a while. On the other hand if electricity is cheap and you are in a mild climate with a modern home paying extra for higher SEER may never pay you back.
Another consideration when considering a higher SEER rating is the cost of high tech maintenance parts not found on less complex systems. For example the difference in price between a replacement single speed condenser fan on a 16 SEER unit and a variable speed fan on a more efficient unit will be several hundred dollars.
 
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Just got price on new 3 1/2 ton air conditioner . Is Trans good choice? $3800. is total cost. Replacing Air handler inside, lines and outside air-condition unit. However, he hasn't given us any

more info than tonnage of 3 1/2 . and 10 year warranty. It's air only, no heat pump. What other questions should be asked? Our old one is 34 years old.

Cheers....Coffeeman

My previous experience with Trane is that ours was as loud as a TRAIN!
 
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Fabulous advice above.

Yes, Trane still seems to be good.

Curious, why no heat pump????

Yes , YLee Kioti was good advice . All of the folks comments or questions great.

Had heat pump in old one, but WHY NOT NOW? In 2008 I was able to hook up to shallow gas well. I heat with gas hot water boiler that warms heats exchangers
in each air handler. I have 3 air conditioners. They are zoned off in order to conserve energy during sleep time, unused areas etc. . I'm very energy conscious because house was originally all electric with ceiling heat radiating down. Thus, when installing air conditioners heat pumps were a must. When I built, the electric company gave a nice discount if all electric. Somewhere, along line, electric company took that away from me. I still have ceiling heat cables. When heating with gas well, it's important to have back up heat. If gas well quits producing I'd need emergency heat. I live in southern Pennsylvania.

That's the long answer; Why no heat pump? I heat my hot water with boiler too.

Cheers, you all have a nice day...........Coffeeman
 
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. The experienced techs are doing repair during busy season,rookies do installs.
Is this so the repair guys can make more money? Got you coming and going? :laughing:
 
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To get efficiencies demanded these days coils have to be thinner for better heat transfer, parts lighter for less power consumption, etc, etc. Some of it leads to shorter life so units that last for 20 or 30 years may be a thing of the past.

tell me about it. Glad I sold out and got away from the rat race.
Lasting 20 to 30 yrs lol. You'll be lucky if you get a year before it leaks.

Had a guy ask me the other day What brand unit would you recommend ? Says his unit has been for about 35 years and he was thinking about a replacement..
I told him to leave the thing along until he has to replace it. I told him he would be very lucky if he a new unit to last 10-15 yrs
 
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Question for all. I know about the evap coils going to thinner and thinner materials. They got to a point that the elbows got so thin, they would not last very long. The question, many are switching to all aluminum coils for multiple reasons, but I'm wondering if anyone has had an aluminum evap coil last very long down in the south?

They can make the aluminum thicker and keep the cost down, but it does not transfer heat as well as copper. IIRC it is roughly 70 percent as good as copper. So if they make an air handler to accept a larger evap coil made of aluminum, it should roughly equal out.

Just wondering how the aluminum will last in the long haul....I have had to replace 3 evap coils in 14 years. The style I have has copper tubes and elbows, aluminum fins, and galvanized sheet metal for the frame and ends. This makes for electrolysis or galvanic corrosion causing premature leaking.

Just this morning I put the 3rd coil in. Went smoothly. Buddy has sling psychrometer and all the cool tools. I actually finally found and put a 4 row coil in instead of a 3 row. I changed brands (at least I think so). Many are made by the same company and badged differently. Also put in a new filter/drier.
 
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As I have previously stated. I sold my business about 2 yrs ago now. They were just starting with the alum. evap coils.
I still have friends in the business and they say as far as the alum. coils leaking, they are no better than the copper coils.

As far as the end plates being galvanized. I understand what you are saying about two dissimilar metals, but coils have been made this way for as long as I can remember, and there are still some very old units still in operation despite this
 

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