Winches Igland 3501 or 4501, which winch to get?

[xcgreene]

So I have a Kioti DK45se HST, I'd like to get a logging winch for firewood, as well as wood for timber framing, which can often be timber of 2 1/2ft in diameter. which winch would you recommend putting behind this tractor, the Igland 3501 or 4501? I'm one for leaning a bit on the larger side, but I'd really like to hear from the community on this.


other recommendations will certainly be entertained. Max budget $3000



Thanks all in advance.

 

[xcgreene]

Igland 3501
IGLAND 351 - Igland AS

Igland 4501
IGLAND 451 - Igland AS

 

[Peter 315]

Did you look at Fransgard winch?

 

[xcgreene]

Did you look at Fransgard winch?

Hmmm, that Fransgard V-4000 seems quite nice, just at my max price as well. anyone have one?

 

[Peter 315]

V-4000--8800lb Pull $3050 cl vt I bought horse hay feeders from him nice guy I don't have any trees left all cleared so no winch

 

[saxnbees]

I recently bought an Igland 3501 for my Kioti NX4510. However, I have not had a chance to use it yet so I cannot report any real world experience with it. I searched this site for quite a while and many folks seemed to think that all of the major brands were roughly equivalent in quality and durability. Since I don't expect to be moving very large logs, I went with the 3501 vs the 4501. In your case, maybe the 4501 would be a better bet. I will list some info here that I put together during my search. Maybe it will help you and maybe not:

Local tractor dealer:

Wallenstein FX85 - 8500 lbs - $4296 + tax
Fransgard V3004 - 6600 lbs - $3285 + tax
Fransgard V3507 - 7275 lbs - $3575 + tax
Fransgard V4000 - 8800 lbs - $3965 + tax

Reed Supply Co. in St. Johnsburry, VT

Igland 3501 - 7800 lbs - $2495 + $125 shipping
Igland 4501 - 10120 lbs - $2925 + shipping

Labonville (did not have any in stock at the time so I didn't buy there)

Norse 350 (same as Igland 3501) - $2595 + tax
Norse 450 (same as Igland 4501) - $3095 + tax

I had hoped to buy from my local tractor dealer but the $1000 price difference was too much. Maybe I could have done better if I haggled but I don't like to do that. From what I found on this site, Fransgard and Igland both seemed to have good reputations. For the same money, you can get an Igland 4501 that pulls 1300 lbs. more than the Fransgard V4000 (at least on paper). I also liked the fact that the butt plate can be hinged in the Igland units by the removal of pins so that it can ride over obstacles instead of catching on them.

Also note that Labonville carries both the Igland 3501 and 4501 but re-brand them as the Norse 350 and 450.

Delivery from Vt. to Maine was only a couple of days.

 

[seacap04]

I also have a DK45SE HST. I have an older Farnsgard. Can't remember which model, but it is an 8,000# winch. I pull 18"-24" x 16 ft white pine or several 8 to 16" logs out easily. I only run at 1200 rpm. Winch capacity is never the issue. If they dig in or get fouled they try to, haul the 6,000# plus tractor to them. And we have plenty to foul them up here. I guess I would be a little intimidated by a 10,000# winch. I would probably seriously break something very expensive to repair. If I had level, clear land I may have a different view. BTY hi neighbor.

 

[Agvg]

Look at ground clearance, does the biggest winch leave you with enough clearance for adventures in the terrain? Igland has hinged blade that makes a hughe difference if you don't have a full size tractor with real ground clearance.

 

[TnAndy]

I've had the 3601 for about 20 years....it's held up well. Don't know the rating on it, but I've pulled out 24" logs without too much trouble.

IF you plan on 30" logs regular, I'd probably go with the larger version....but you may run into your tractor being the issue, assuming that is a 45hp tractor you have My current one is a 41hp, the NH in the photo was 33, and frankly too lite weight for doing the things I was doing. I kept breaking things....like the main frame....ahahahahaa.

 

[xcgreene]

Follow Up.

So I wound up purchasing an Igland 4501 from Reed Supply Co. in Vermont. $3000 shipped. Came with PTO shaft, 3 chokers, 3 slides and 165ft of cable on the drum. Availability at the time was a large factor, as they had them ready to ship. I really liked the Fransgard V-4000 winch but it was no longer available from the supplier that I liked. Other distributors were selling the Fransgard for much more money, around $4000 shipped. This was too far above budget for what I was looking for. I also already have an Igland Sundown GR40 grapple which I have been very please with, so going Igland again was comfortable.

The winch came on a pallet upon delivery, only assembly required was the butt plate, and the 2 cords for the clutch and brake. The PTO shaft was the perfect setup for my tractor, no cutting required in this case.

I was worried before I took delivery that this Igland 4501 would be a bit too large for my Kioti DK45se hst, but now that its mounted, and I have used it, I very happy with the decision. Even though the butt plate can hinge to get over obstacles, the 3pt hitch still lifts it plenty high off the ground, and when it is down, the pto is about parallel with the ground, which is good for operation. The butt plate is about 60" wide, and the winch is about 75" tall. It sits inside my rear tires and below my ROPs

The quality is quite good. Stout and fully enclosed, but easily opened up. Very simple and well organized. But 2 things I think could be improved. When the winch is not hooked up to the tractor, the kick stand that it leans on is not mounted in a very sturdy place. It's very strange as the rest of the winch is built so well. Nothing a few minutes welding in a gusset or two wouldn't fix, so why didn't they at the factory? Something I'll probably fix when I weld in a square receiver into the butt plate so I can tow things around. The way the Butt Plate comes off this should be very easy. Second is the manual. The exploded view diagrams were fine, but the operation/user manual is ****. Poorly written and vague. This machine may be simple, but I still feel it deserve a good instruction and care manual.

I'm very happy with its operation. With the butt plate properly dug in, and the engine at 1200 rpm, the winch pulled smoothly and powerfully. The tractor, in this case, is most certainly the limiting factor here, as I'm sure it could pull itself right over. But with proper operation, this is not an issue. I'd rather be in this boat, then have a small winch, as I will also be using it on my larger and heavier john deere 2510.

Overall I think the Igland 4501 is a simple and stout, easy to operate, no bells and whistles winch that will last a lifetime if properly cared for, which I'm not quite sure how to, as the manual is ****.

At this point, I'm very happy with the purchase.

 

[Agvg]

Quit common to have very questionable solutions for storage, my old Fransgard has no support at all and needs a wall, my old Norse/Sandvik has a support but the footprint of the support is so small that it will fall over on soft ground. Be very careful to secure it if you have children playing in the area.

 

[saxnbees]

Good luck with the new winch. I have a similar setup. Kioti NX4510, Sundown GR40 grapple, and Igland 3501. Hopefully I will get a chance to try my new 3501 in a couple weeks when I return to Maine for a bit.

 

[saxnbees]

I have the same basic setup as you. Sundown GR40 grapple and Igland 3501. Since we no longer have the bucket attached, how do you carry your chainsaw(s), gas, oil, and other assorted logging equipment into the woods with you?

 

[xcgreene]

I have the same basic setup as you. Sundown GR40 grapple and Igland 3501. Since we no longer have the bucket attached, how do you carry your chainsaw(s), gas, oil, and other assorted logging equipment into the woods with you?

Great Question, I had the same one.

I ran with a few ideas based off things I've seen. The photos below show you where I've built in a chainsaw holdster and a tool box for things like Files, Wedges, Extra saw chains, ect. Both the Holdster and Ammo/Toolbox are quickly removable and lift right off. On the box, I just welded on sort of a flat hook that just slides over that part of the FEL cradle, Similar for the chainsaw Holder.





Gas and oil cans have been sort of a "toss anywhere" kind of thing. Might do something about that too.

Now I'm not perfectly happy with these solutions just yet, but great working prototypes in the mean time, and a great utilization of prime realestate that would otherwise be wasted.

 

[saxnbees]

A couple of good ideas there. How did you fasten the saw scabbard in place? Unfortunately, I can't compare the picture to my tractor at the moment because it is in Maine and I am in New Jersey.

And the ammo box is just welded on to the frame?

I was trying to come up with some ideas of my own. I was thinking that something could be mounted between the vertical support of the ROPS. Another idea is to make a tray with handles that could be picked up with the grapple and carried with its cargo. Once on location, it could be set down so the grapple could be used. Once finished, it would be picked up again and carried out. The downside is that an extra trip might be required if you wanted to carry out a log in the grapple.

 

[xcgreene]

A couple of good ideas there. How did you fasten the saw scabbard in place? Unfortunately, I can't compare the picture to my tractor at the moment because it is in Maine and I am in New Jersey.

And the ammo box is just welded on to the frame?

I was trying to come up with some ideas of my own. I was thinking that something could be mounted between the vertical support of the ROPS. Another idea is to make a tray with handles that could be picked up with the grapple and carried with its cargo. Once on location, it could be set down so the grapple could be used. Once finished, it would be picked up again and carried out. The downside is that an extra trip might be required if you wanted to carry out a log in the grapple.

I'd take a photo of how the saw and tool box are attached if I was on site, but I'm away currently. Neither are welded on, I've fabricated sort of a fork on the back of the toolbox and saw holder that just forks onto the back of the front end loader cradle. They can be lifted right off whenever needed.

There are many ideas out there that I think would work great. I'd like to weld some sort of vice to my grapple just to have in the field. I think that could also double as a saw holder. Vice placement would have to be well thought out, but a possible idea to ponder.

 

[saxnbees]

Thanks for the info. I'll have to take a look at these ideas when I get to Maine at the end of the month. I have to think that lots of guys have these same issues. Maybe we need a thread dedicated to tool and equipment carriers?

 

[xcgreene]

Thanks for the info. I'll have to take a look at these ideas when I get to Maine at the end of the month. I have to think that lots of guys have these same issues. Maybe we need a thread dedicated to tool and equipment carriers?

Check out the "customization" forum under the "general forum" section of TractorByNet, lots of great ideas and people in there for this kind of thing.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/customization/

 

[saxnbees]

Thanks for the link. I was looking through "How do you carry your chainsaw?" and found this very interesting yet simple idea.

 

[JimR]

I bought the same Igland 4501 winch from Reed Supply also. I love it so far and it has helped me a lot pulling out trees. It is fast and gets the job done. Anchoring against the base of a tree or a stump works very well. I pulled out a full length 22 inch in diameter Ash tree with branches the other day like it was nothing. Here's a link to mine and the rear tool box I installed. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...0d1512824640-few-new-attachments-dsc01168-jpg