What's up at welding web?

[cqaigy2]

I always lived by the theory that if you only have one backup then it's not backed up.

Also, if you can't restore from a back up, it ain't no backup.

 

[tkevan]

I always lived by the theory that if you only have one backup then it's not backed up.

Very, very few IT depts run more than one backup, but they run it for a given period, and save those backups for a given period. I.e., We would run a system backup every night, and hold it for 1 week. The backup ran on Sat, would be held for one month. However, that was a single system running an entire AF base, all finance, supply, personnel, contracting, etc. Most now run a SAN array, with a backup drive or two in a striped array. Something like a fire or severe electrical hit would take out everything at once, leaving the IT staff with a huge problem.

 

[user.69169]

Just sayin seems kind of odd how Penton can get the trucking sites and agricultural sites back up in a couple days, but WeldingWeb and HVAC-talk are still deader than my second marriage.
Now, like I read someplace coincidence isn't necessarily causation, but it sure smells funny. Penton couldn't give advertising away on either of those sites for quite some time, so maybe they can't buy fuel to fill the tanks back up and get em running. Then again like Franz says over on Weld.com Penton took advantage of the so called crash to dump the non moneymakers. He sure don't pussyfoot in his opinion of them.

Little googlefoo I did Friday tells me Penton ain't gonna bring either of them boards back so they can use them as tax deductions.

 

[California]

Are the regulars from WW migrating to Weld.com, elsewhere, or possibly to here?

 

[onanparts.com]

Are the regulars from WW migrating to Weld.com, elsewhere, or possibly to here?

It's a big merry go round out there. If a pony falls off, gotta jump on the next one!

 

[Ford850]

It sounds like normal business to me. You have to be profitable to support redundancy and back up programs. Sometimes companies will 'roll the dice' and take what they can get while gambling the servers will remain stable. Those policies and programs take on a 'nice to have' status if there hasn't been an outage for years. No matter what an IT department (from the SVP on down) says it wants or needs, it still relies on a budget approved by the executives above them. Penton will become a poster child for what not to do. Many other companies will have IT departments thanking Penton for making the mistakes they did.

 

[swines]

Many other companies will have IT departments thanking Penton for making the mistakes they did.

Doubt that will happen. How would other companies know what happened to Penton or how it happened? The last company I worked for was the largest engineering firm in the world. They eliminated all of the local office IT departments and outsourced IT services to an outside company. Went from having computer problems fixed in hours to days in some cases. IT departments are being eliminated in favor of outsourcing so that IT is no longer an overhead function, but becomes a deductible cost of business. Makes sense to the accountants as it lowers overhead - at the cost of up-time to the employee's workstation.

If they had a computer downtime charge number to track non-productivity due to computer problems, they'd see the real cost. But, management doesn't want to see the cost so they tell the employee to figure out how to keep the time chargeable and off of overhead. Simply push the problem to the edge (employee) and make them responsible for non-productive time due to an equipment problem...works wonders for the accountants' overhead numbers...and they can give themselves bonuses for lowering overhead.

 

[Big Barn]

I'll miss Welding Web but there's more than enough experienced advise on this forum for my limited welding needs. JMHO

 

[downsizingnow48]

Just what I was thinking. I've gotten great help here several times. Enjoyed reading WW once in a while but never posted a question.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Just as helpful as welding web could be, it could be just mean, nasty and vicious to newcomers. Hopefully some of those that made it that way (if it does not resurface, and even if it does), will lose their way to some other sites and get lost in the internet netherworld, instead of mass migrating to sites like this where people are genuine seekers and helpers. That kind of attitude is a cancer. Helpfulness over there is more about bragging about what you've done and getting your insecurity fix by beating down on others. The problem is that Penton allowed it and encouraged it. As big as WW is/was, it could have been bigger and more profitable if they had not allowed such mean spiritedness thrive. IMHO.

 

[California]

I saw a little of that and feared receiving some, as an occasional amateur weldor asking dumb-beginner questions.

Even 10 years ago when I added a HF-90 alongside the '60's stick welder then posted wondering why the HF unit didn't weld nearly as well. (Turns out I got one from that batch with the really bad flux wire, the model where a wholesaler who bought hundreds of customer returns flooded Ebay for a few months).

But every sincere reply I ever got from the regulars, then and as I have asked slightly more advanced questions, has been friendly and helpful. Similar to apprenticing alongside a helpful journeyman.

They mostly dump their competitiveness on one another.

 

[Big Barn]

I saw a little of that and feared receiving some, as an occasional amateur weldor asking dumb-beginner questions.

Even 10 years ago when I added a HF-90 alongside the '60's stick welder then posted wondering why the HF unit didn't weld nearly as well. (Turns out I got one from that batch with the really bad flux wire, the model where a wholesaler who bought hundreds of customer returns flooded Ebay for a few months).

But every sincere reply I ever got from the regulars, then and as I have asked slightly more advanced questions, has been friendly and helpful. Similar to apprenticing alongside a helpful journeyman.

They mostly dump their competitiveness on one another.

That's pretty much the way I felt about WW. There was one member there that most everyone LOVED to HATE. A real smart (surprisingly compassionate) fellow. I had several intelligent PM's with him before he was eventually permanently banned.

 

[Shield Arc]

I took a different approach to Welding Web. I tell everybody I've only been welding for a few weeks. That way no one picks on me!

 

[California]

Yeah, there were a few BS'ers there too.

 

[MinnesotaDaveChalmers]

I took a different approach to Welding Web. I tell everybody I've only been welding for a few weeks. That way no one picks on me!

I might still pick on you a little :dance1:

 

[Shield Arc]

I expect nothing less!

 

[Big Barn]

I might still pick on you a little :dance1:

Count me in on some of that....

 

[MinnesotaDaveChalmers]

From head moderator Zap

ATTENTION IN THE PITS!
ATTENTION IN THE PITS!

Word is that all Penton websites will be back maybe tomorrow..(Monday)...
Welding web members stay tuned...

 

[California]

That's great news!

 

[dragoneggs]

Count me in on some of that....

Not me... SA got me pointed in the right direction when he graciously offered to tutor me a little when I was getting started and I might need another lesson or three.


But you guys please go ahead. I will enjoy it. :laughing: