3500 truck needs CDL?

[LD1]

Start at the very first post in this thread

I did.

And while he had the weight limits wrong, he was toe first to point out that none if it matters unless you are towing commercially.

I though I had quoted your thread, because it brought up ohio law. I guess I forgot the quote.

Cannot speak for other states, but in ohio...quite simply

over 26k AND trailer over 10K = class A
over 26k OR over 26k w trailer UNDER 10k = class B
under 26k but for hauling more than 16 ppl, = class C

But the ONLY time one needs a CDL for the above, is if towing commercially.

People always jump right into the classes of CDL, and over look the simple fact that to even need a CDL to begin with.....you must be doing it commercially/for hire. Start there. If you are indeed working for hire....THEN and only THEN is it established that you even need a CDL. THEN you can go to what class of CDL you need based on GVWR and combinations.

 

[ultrarunner]

Don't forget regional variations... the 580 freeway I drive each day is closed to commercial vehicles: No trucks over 9,000 lbs, except passenger buses and paratransit vehicles.

Law section.

The Truckers watch each other like a hawk and get on the radio if they see one of their brothers going down the wrong path... still many do and get cited.

 

[LD1]

Don't forget regional variations... the 580 freeway I drive each day is closed to commercial vehicles: No trucks over 9,000 lbs, except passenger buses and paratransit vehicles.

Is that 9000# curb weight, or 9000GVWR?

 

[ultrarunner]

Is that 9000# curb weight, or 9000GVWR?

I added a link to the law and it reads "Gross" weight.

Never seen a motor home pulled over...

 

[LD1]

Wow, I dont think I would drive my DRW on that road. Truck is ~8k empty. (as empty as I get it). Add 4-5 passengers........

Why the limitation on the road? Certainly aint because of bridges or whatnot, because they make exceptions for busses.

 

[joefromga]

M O N E Y

 

[newbury]

Here in VA they are plated as 'TRUCK's with no reference to commercial or private use, but they must not exceed 26,001 pounds or CDL applies. What I do disagree with is that ANYTHING considered to be an RV is exempt even though they can be giant tractor units pulling giant fifth wheels.
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What is this "they" you write about?
My Ford F350 dually is "plated" in Virginia just like my VW Jetta and says PA under Plate Type and PRIVATE under Vehicle use.


I might could of gotten it "plated" as a TRUCK with TRUCK printed on the physical license plate but my Father got stopped and fined on the Passaic Parkway decades ago because he drove a passenger van registered in Vermont with TRUCK on the plates.

 

[ultrarunner]

A little off topic but I'm seeing more and more expensive motor coaches with Montana plates... also some high end cars...

It would seem the severe winters and general population wouldn't support the high end luxury vehicles/coaches?

Amazing how much things very from coast to coast... some of my friends pay a one time tag fee on older vehicles and coaches and are good for as long as they hold title...

Other States come down hard on vehicle and operator licenses... paying $574 to continue the registration for my 85 Truck including a $250 converter because it missed by one point shows just how much pressure there is to get old vehicles off the road.

 

[rjkobbeman]

A CDL must be obtained by the driver of any of the following vehicles:

Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.

Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating): Value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a single vehicle or combination of vehicles, or the registered gross weight.

GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating): Value specified by the manufacturer as the GVWR of the power unit plus the GVWR of the towed unit or units, or the combined registered weight of the power unit plus the towed unit(s).


Drivers Exempt from Obtaining a CDL:

Under state and federal law, certain drivers are not subject to the requirements of the CDL program. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration has determined that these exemptions will not diminish the safe operation of commercial vehicles on the highways.

The following vehicle operators are not required to obtain a CDL:

Farm Equipment Operators - This exemption covers legitimate farm-to-market operations by farmers, not commercial grain haulers. CDLs are not required to operate vehicles:
Controlled and operated by a farmer, a member of the farmerʼs family or an employee;
Used to transport farm products, equipment or supplies to or from a farm (including nurseries and aquacultures);
Used within 150 air miles of the farm; and
Not used in the operations of a common or contract carrier; and
Used in nursery or agricultural operations.

NOTE: For the drivers of truck-tractor semitrailers, the farmer, his or her spouse and their children, parents on both sides, brothers and sisters on both sides and their spouses operating a truck-tractor semitrailer and meeting the above criteria also are exempted from the CDL Program. These drivers must be at least age 21, and the vehicle must have Farm plates. These drivers are still required to take the appropriate CDL written, skills and road tests to be licensed.

Firefighting Equipment Operators - Because most firefighting organizations have extensive initial training and re- training requirements for their equipment operators, Illinois waives CDL requirements for operators of firefighting equipment owned or operated by or for a government agency, when responding to or returning from an emergency.

Military Vehicle Operators - Operators of military vehicles for military purposes are exempt from obtaining a CDL.

Recreational Vehicle Operators - Recreational vehicle operators, when using the vehicle primarily for personal use, do not need a CDL.

^^This... although I'm sure people will disregard.

All this has nothing to do with commercial use. Hauling your tractor on your gooseneck to your buddies house appears to need CDL (if weights are exceeded).

 

[George2615]

A little off topic but I'm seeing more and more expensive motor coaches with Montana plates... also some high end cars...

It would seem the severe winters and general population wouldn't support the high end luxury vehicles/coaches?

Amazing how much things very from coast to coast... some of my friends pay a one time tag fee on older vehicles and coaches and are good for as long as they hold title...

Other States come down hard on vehicle and operator licenses... paying $574 to continue the registration for my 85 Truck including a $250 converter because it missed by one point shows just how much pressure there is to get old vehicles off the road.

I'd guess you see high end motor coaches and high end cars with Montana plates because Montana has no sales tax.

 

[ultrarunner]

But there must be more to it as there are other states don't have sales tax either.

I might have found the answer and that is you pay a one time coach registration that never expires...

Maybe it is like the Delaware Corporation thing?

A new 250k coach here would be 25k sales tax and maybe $2500 reg the first year.

 

[George2615]

I think your statement is also correct about the one time reg fee.

 

[rswyan]

Then you must not be familar with Ohio state law

My statement - in the context that it was given - is correct.

My answer was not intended to be all-inclusive.

Keep rolling it back ...

 

[LD1]

. Hauling your tractor on your gooseneck to your buddies house appears to need CDL (if weights are exceeded).

Nope. Don't need a cdl even if your are over 26k gvwr. Unless your buddy hired you/is paying for your services.

 

[Midniteoyl]

A little off topic but I'm seeing more and more expensive motor coaches with Montana plates... also some high end cars...

It would seem the severe winters and general population wouldn't support the high end luxury vehicles/coaches?

Amazing how much things very from coast to coast... some of my friends pay a one time tag fee on older vehicles and coaches and are good for as long as they hold title...

Other States come down hard on vehicle and operator licenses... paying $574 to continue the registration for my 85 Truck including a $250 converter because it missed by one point shows just how much pressure there is to get old vehicles off the road.

Didnt think '85s required a converter.. My '86 didnt come with one.

 

[Midniteoyl]

But there must be more to it as there are other states don't have sales tax either.

I might have found the answer and that is you pay a one time coach registration that never expires...

Maybe it is like the Delaware Corporation thing?

A new 250k coach here would be 25k sales tax and maybe $2500 reg the first year.

Montana LLC for avoidance of sales and luxury taxes.

 

[Midniteoyl]

^^This... although I'm sure people will disregard.

All this has nothing to do with commercial use. Hauling your tractor on your gooseneck to your buddies house appears to need CDL (if weights are exceeded).

Incorrect.. If its personal, then you do not. If its farm related, you still do not:

Farm Equipment Operators - This exemption covers legitimate farm-to-market operations by farmers, not commercial grain haulers. CDLs are not required to operate vehicles:
Controlled and operated by a farmer, a member of the farmerʼs family or an employee;
Used to transport farm products, equipment or supplies to or from a farm (including nurseries and aquacultures);

 

[RedNeckRacin]

The farm exemption is often misunderstood. You can't claim that you are a farmer, you actually have to file a schedule F with the IRS then put "farm" plates on your truck after providing proof to the dot here in pa.

Also, cdl goes by weight. They could care less if you are using your antique truck to haul your antique tractor down to the fairgrounds. Go over the weight limits and you are going to get nailed for not being licensed properly. Thats why i have my class a. Im over the 26k combo weight with a trailer exceeding 10k. Rv is a whole different animal but dam near get away with anything including using class 8 tractors to tote their camper.

The pa dot has recently been cracking down on personal use trucks hauling to the dirt track races. If you can win a ribbon or a trophy it's "for profit" and thus commercial. Piss and moan all you want but that's the way the state of Pa sees it. I can't speak to other states though.

 

[Soundguy]

It's not about safety and ideas. It's about making revenue.

Eeeexxxxaaaaccctttllyyy!!!!

Law enforcement on just about anything other than violent felonies long ago gave way to revenue enforcement.

 

[Soundguy]

The farm exemption is often misunderstood. You can't claim that you are a farmer, you actually have to file a schedule F with the IRS then put "farm" plates on your truck after providing proof to the dot here in pa.

Also, cdl goes by weight. They could care less if you are using your antique truck to haul your antique tractor down to the fairgrounds. Go over the weight limits and you are going to get nailed for not being licensed properly. Thats why i have my class a. Im over the 26k combo weight with a trailer exceeding 10k. Rv is a whole different animal but dam near get away with anything including using class 8 tractors to tote their camper.

The pa dot has recently been cracking down on personal use trucks hauling to the dirt track races. If you can win a ribbon or a trophy it's "for profit" and thus commercial. Piss and moan all you want but that's the way the state of Pa sees it. I can't speak to other states though.

Ever see them 'toter' homes. basic semi..