Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors

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All I can say is: thank God I don't have a computer on my tractor. If you have one on yours, say your prayers.

Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors | Miami Herald

By NICHOLAS BERGIN Lincoln Journal Star

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LINCOLN, Neb.

Mick Minchow's tractors are marvels of modern machinery.

They have air conditioning, guidance systems, satellite radio and more sensors than he can shake a corn cob at, all kept running by computer systems and software.

But there's one thing the Waverly farmer doesn't have: the right to fix his John Deere 8235 R if it goes on the fritz.

Gone are the days when farmers could be their own mechanics. Just taking a peek under the metaphorical hood of the computers that run the big tractor could put Minchow in violation of the federal Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

It's the same for digital products from cellphones to printers to concrete crushers that rely on computer programs to run.

The Lincoln Journal Star (Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors | Agriculture | journalstar.com) reports that Nebraska is one of four states to consider legislation that would require manufacturers to make diagnostic, service and technical information available to farmers and independent repair technicians. The others are Massachusetts, Minnesota and New York.

While the Nebraska Fair Repair Bill (LB1072) failed to gain traction before senators adjourned this spring, the issue is far from dead. It has been referred to the Agriculture Committee for study over the summer, and advocates are pushing for the bill to be reintroduced during the next session.

Now, the makers of off-road and farm equipment and many consumer electronics require their products to be repaired by certified technicians.

That means if Minchow's tractor stops working he has no choice but to call the dealer. He can't check the system codes himself to decide whether it's an easy fix like changing a filter or something more complicated. And that grinds the Waverly-area farmer's gears.

"I want it to be my call. I don't want to have to make two trips to the service department - one to diagnose it and one to fix it," said Minchow, who has been farming north of Waverly for more than 40 years.

And as dealerships have closed or consolidated, he said, technicians have gotten further away and service bills more expensive.

John Deere, in a 2014 comment to the U.S. Copyright Office, said the people who buy its tractors don't own the software that makes them run. Instead, each has an "implied license for the life of the vehicle to operate the vehicle."

In some cases, the company said, software could be subject to third-party restrictions and accessing it could violate copyright, trade secret or contractual rights.

But farmers work when they can, and every hour matters when storms, frost and mud leave them with few suitable days. A malfunctioning combine can bring the fall harvest to a standstill.

Waiting for a dealer to diagnose and fix a problem could mean hours, days or weeks lost.

Proponents of Nebraska's Fair Repair Bill say it would let farmers work on their own equipment and allow independent mechanics to help get machines running quicker.

The Nebraska Farm Bureau, the state's largest agriculture advocacy group, has not taken a stance on the issue but its members are talking about it, said Jordan Dux, the state Farm Bureau's director of national affairs.

"For the time being, we remain neutral on it but that very well might change as we work through our policy development process," he said during a recent web forum.

Some Farm Bureau members, Dux said, are concerned about taking business away from dealerships at a time when the ag economy has slowed and few farmers are buying new machinery.

"Keeping those dealerships in their communities is important," he said. "Repairs are going to be the way a lot of these dealerships are going to make money for the time being simply because folks aren't buying a lot of new equipment."

Another concern, Dux said, centers on what farmers should do if they buy equipment and find the previous owner made changes to the software they don't like.

Kyle Wiens, a software engineer and leading figure in the national Right to Repair movement, said in the same web seminar that new owners of used equipment would have what they need to restore factory defaults if manufacturers provided diagnostic tools and software.

John Hansen, president of the state's second largest agricultural advocacy organization, the Nebraska Farmers Union, supports the Right to Repair efforts saying farmers should have the same option to get their tractor fixed by an independent mechanic as they do when they need to get their truck fixed.

"This is a fairness issue. Folks in agriculture shouldn't be singled out and treated differently than the automotive customers or truck customers," Hansen said in the web forum.

"Competition is what makes our system of economics better. When you take competition out of the equation there is almost always a reduction in choice and quality and an increase in cost to the consumer."

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/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #2  
If just one manufacturer would break out of the mold and offer diagnostic software and tools, I suspect a lot of these farmers would change tractor colors. And that would force the others to get in line in order to be competitive.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #3  
Personally, I will NEVER buy a tractor the requires a computer to run for those reasons.. There are too many pre-computer tractors out there that will last a lifetime if maintained properly

JMHO
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #4  
Where would we be without the governments help? :rolleyes:
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #5  
I think the 97 MF will out last me. No computers that I know of.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #6  
Some Farm Bureau members, Dux said, are concerned about taking business away from dealerships at a time when the ag economy has slowed and few farmers are buying new machinery.

Yep, why would you buy something that you can't keep running. I'm not sure, in full blown AG areas, 24 hour tech support should me mandatory, it may be, i doubt it though.

Ronnie
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #7  
This has been an issue with cars for years now, those complaining don't want to pay for proper service as most of the diagnostic tools to fix OEMs are out there but cost money to purchase or rent.

I fix cars for a living and can tell you the money I spend on software and computer tools that are obsolete after just a year or two is amazing. I simply pass these costs off to the customer in the form of higher labor rates or diagnostic charges.

Do I scream about asking the gubmint for help? NO I DON'T! Nothing against farmers but they seem to benefit more from the federal govt. than any group I know.

Regards, Fred
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #8  
I would lobby or vote for it. My Boomer 8N has a computer issue and will not run. My dealer that I bought it from dropped NH when they went to LS so the closest NH dealer is now 50 miles away. My local dealer cannot work on it as they no longer have the software so it means either a wrecker or trailer with winch to get it to the closest NH dealer, neither of which is cheap. It also means taking a day off work as the NH dealer will not come get it on a weekend.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #9  
I think that the legislation to work on your own tractors is going in the wrong direction. Forget about that and make everything that has a computer in it have self diagnostics. The you wouldn't need to buy software or the computer to run the software. Or at a minimum at least have the ability to hook up a smart phone or a laptop to do the diagnostics.
 
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T

Do I scream about asking the gubmint for help? NO I DON'T! Nothing against farmers but they seem to benefit more from the federal govt. than any group I know.

Regards, Fred

Fred

I feel your pain, the gubmint has done more to put small farmers out of business than they have to help them.
These days you have Corporations owning farm business that have the money to influence the gubmint folk to go further in pushing the small guys out.
The small guy are a lot like you, they spend until they can't & trying to get help will not work from the gubmint.
I praise your ability to do what you want to do & hope you are successful for years to come.

Ronnie
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #11  
Well Ronnie the large local farmer around here is buying up all of the local farmland with gubmint money and not having to pay the local taxes that we as homeowners must pay.

The bad part is they won't allow anyone on the property and are quite adamant about it.

I have absolutely NO respect for this kind of behavior.

Bottom line if your business WHATEVER it is, can't make it on it's own then get out of business.

So what if the milk price has gone to heck, drink beer instead.

Regards, Fred


I don't expect now, or ever ANY help from our broken, criminal gubmint.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #12  
Not sure about other oems but Deere started allowing the retail of their diagnostic software to customers a number of months ago. It does not allow for re-programming but the diagnostic portion can be bought (subscription based). It is... however.... very expensive (it's also very expensive for dealers) to justify the purchase the owner or irc needs to have lots & lots of machines to work on. At this point in time (and I could be wrong) dealer groups can also decline the resale to a customer or irc.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #13  
My Mahindra has a standard OBDII diagnostics port just like my car and truck. I use the same code scanner on the tractor as I use on the truck. All you need are the specialized codes once in awhile but most times the a standard code scanner will get you though.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #14  
I know very few farmers that have the skills, tools, to diagnosis and repair one of the new high dollar combines. What happens when he shorts out thirty thousand dollars of electronic and then becomes irate when the Dealer says not covered by warranty?

The new truck I just purchased had a MSRP of a little over $60,000. More electronics than the space capsule that landed a man on the moon had. Warranty voided if I go fooling around. So which do I do, fool around with truck repairs or take to the dealer and drink coffee while he repairs it or provides me a loaner.

My choice is take to the dealer.
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #15  
Pre computer equipment in good condition is commanding a premium .
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #16  
Well Ronnie the large local farmer around here is buying up all of the local farmland with gubmint money and not having to pay the local taxes that we as homeowners must pay. The bad part is they won't allow anyone on the property and are quite adamant about it. I have absolutely NO respect for this kind of behavior. Bottom line if your business WHATEVER it is, can't make it on it's own then get out of business. So what if the milk price has gone to heck, drink beer instead. Regards, Fred I don't expect now, or ever ANY help from our broken, criminal gubmint.

So you are jealous the farmer can purchase land, get current use tax value, and doesn't want others to use the land. Do I have that right? And what leads you to believe that he is using gubmint money?
 
/ Farmers lobbying for the right to fix own tractors #17  
So you are jealous the farmer can purchase land, get current use tax value, and doesn't want others to use the land. Do I have that right? And what leads you to believe that he is using gubmint money?


Corn subsidies for worthless ethanol.
 
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If anyone really understood what it took to own, use and maintain the diagnostic tools no one would want them! Its not as easy as plugging into a USB port.

I personally do support the right to modify your equipment though. Part of this right-to-own thing is the manufacturers trying to claim copyright and ownership of software and the way it works. Thats annoying to me. If your smart enough to tweak with the software in a product that you own it should be your right to do that.
 

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