Is it time for a gasoline engine tractor?

[Turbys_1700]

2nd that & buy older tractors w/o the crap on them. IMO, the EPA dosen't have a clue about this & is just stabbing in the darkness.

Ronnie

If you would calculate the total impact that tractors in our industry have on emissions it would be very small. Almost insignificant. It is all about the money. Just follow the money.

 

[k0ua]

I'd settle for one that uses politicians.

+1. An excellent use for an otherwise useless resource.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Our Troybuilt already HAS a gas engine.

When did Troybuilt start making a CUT tractor. All I see is lawn care products like mowers, weedeater and tillers.

 

[oldballs]

+1. An excellent use for an otherwise useless resource.

AND............it is renewable forever.:laughing:

 

[flusher]

yeah right!!! For decades they said they were making the engines as fuel efficient as possible but they only got 10 mpg with a best in class of around 20 mpg. Now after feds mandated better fuel economy for decades, we now have 300+HP engines with 31MPG claims (Dodge Charger/Challenger) so the laws of physics change over time especially when government steps up and demands it. I can still remember the automakers claims that it was not possible to make car engines to meet the requirement but they did when faced with possibility of heavy fines and/or not being allowed to sell their products. So far they continue to make the engines more efficient and also with more HP.
I think they can do the same with the diesel engines if they have too. Right now they are just scabbing on whatever they can come up with to barely meet the environmental requirements and we all know they can do something better than Urea injection. A double turbocharger comes to mind to prevent the carbon from forming in the first place. Maybe even an electric motor driven one like I see proposed on a new model car to reduce the turbo lag.
Lot of things they could do, but the price goes up. Right now they are just getting the minimums with minimal effort but causing the public a PIA with the operation and maintenance of these new Tier IV engines.

The laws of physics that are relevant to automotive technology are alive and well and don't change. What changes are the operating requirements for automotive engines and transmissions (improved efficiency, lower exhaust emissions, lower manufacturing cost, etc) which motivate changes in design, materials, manufacturability.

 

[buickanddeere]

I'd settle for a compact using dilithium crystals

The Dilithium Crystals do not make power. They convert the energy from the matter/anti-matter reaction Into a usable format.

 

[buickanddeere]

yeah right!!! For decades they said they were making the engines as fuel efficient as possible but they only got 10 mpg with a best in class of around 20 mpg. Now after feds mandated better fuel economy for decades, we now have 300+HP engines with 31MPG claims (Dodge Charger/Challenger) so the laws of physics change over time especially when government steps up and demands it. I can still remember the automakers claims that it was not possible to make car engines to meet the requirement but they did when faced with possibility of heavy fines and/or not being allowed to sell their products. So far they continue to make the engines more efficient and also with more HP.
I think they can do the same with the diesel engines if they have too. Right now they are just scabbing on whatever they can come up with to barely meet the environmental requirements and we all know they can do something better than Urea injection. A double turbocharger comes to mind to prevent the carbon from forming in the first place. Maybe even an electric motor driven one like I see proposed on a new model car to reduce the turbo lag.
Lot of things they could do, but the price goes up. Right now they are just getting the minimums with minimal effort but causing the public a PIA with the operation and maintenance of these new Tier IV engines.

The problem is the cost of diminishing returns and absolute limits. There is only so many btu of energy in a gallon of fuel.

 

[k0ua]

AND............it is renewable forever.:laughing:

AND, utilizing this energy source helps clean up the environment.! :laughing:

 

[Gator6x4]

The old gasoline engine powered tractor are selling at higher prices at estate auctions than equivalent diesels. So there is definitely a market out there for gasoline powered tractors. Some of the prices being paid for a forty or more year gas driven tractor are jaw dropping.

 

[jlgurr]

If they make a F.I. gasoline engine, it may be ok, they seem to stand up to the ethanol gas without varnishing up. I would never buy a gasoline tractor with a carb. I do hope the ones I have last me a lifetime. Stricter gov. regulations and more BS might make my interim tier IV more valuable in the future. I would think that engine manufacturers could come up with a diesel that meets the federal requirements and not cause a ton of BS with urea, regen etc to aggravate the user.

They might need to contact Volkswagen...

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[Sawyer Rob]

The old gasoline engine powered tractor are selling at higher prices at estate auctions than equivalent diesels. So there is definitely a market out there for gasoline powered tractors. Some of the prices being paid for a forty or more year gas driven tractor are jaw dropping.

ONLY because the diesels of those same time periods were rather hard starting and messy compared to the gas engines...

Then, there's the fact that the buyers of them TODAY, aren't farming with them! They mostly are only using them more for "nostalgia" than anything else...

I live in a big farming community... The only time you see gas tractors in use is, parades, tractor shows or a farmer who has his gran kids pulling a wagon around, while the diesels do all the real work!

SR

 

[Turbys_1700]

Back in the 60's and 70's we would do all our plowing and work with gassers. Mostly D17 Allis Chalmers. You could easily run through through 2 tanks of gas in a day. That is 34 gallons. My 4610 SU Ford is the same horsepower and will burn about half that amount. No comparison. Those power crater engines were built industrial with wet sleeves and were tough as nails but they were really thirsty. They did crank easily.

 

[newbury]

Why can a semi pulling an 80,000 lb trailer get 5 to 6 mpg while my F350 pulling 10,000 only gets 15 and my VW TDI only carrying 500 lbs only gets about 50 mpg?

Is it all gearing?

 

[Industrial Toys]

A friend says that once in motion, a rig doesn't use much fuel. So it's not the weight that figures into it so much at that point as wind and tire resistance. Just look at a train.

On the subject of new diesel technology, one of our farmers has a high dollar Fendt Tractor. He figures that thing has about a fifteen year life span before all the computers, sensors, cabling and connectors just become too old and expensive to maintain.

That, to me, is not very positive. Even his new JD bailer has a computer!

 

[Jay4200]

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LP fueled wouldn't be bad.

 

[Btown]

LP fueled wouldn't be bad.

only problem is fueling it up. LP up here in northeast is expensive, unless you use a lot of it. Then they cut the costs a lot.

 

[buickanddeere]

ONLY because the diesels of those same time periods were rather hard starting and messy compared to the gas engines...

Then, there's the fact that the buyers of them TODAY, aren't farming with them! They mostly are only using them more for "nostalgia" than anything else...

I live in a big farming community... The only time you see gas tractors in use is, parades, tractor shows or a farmer who has his gran kids pulling a wagon around, while the diesels do all the real work!

SR

Well of course "real work" is a HD 200HP+ application for several Hundred hours per year. Retired Uncle Putz on his rural estate moving some snow and mowing an acre with a CUT is light duty . Don't be comparing apples with oranges .

 

[buickanddeere]

ONLY because the diesels of those same time periods were rather hard starting and messy compared to the gas engines...

Then, there's the fact that the buyers of them TODAY, aren't farming with them! They mostly are only using them more for "nostalgia" than anything else...

I live in a big farming community... The only time you see gas tractors in use is, parades, tractor shows or a farmer who has his gran kids pulling a wagon around, while the diesels do all the real work!

SR

Well of course "real work" is a HD 200HP+ application for several Hundred hours per year. Retired Uncle Putz on his rural estate moving some snow and mowing an acre with a CUT is light duty . Don't be comparing apples with oranges .

 

[buickanddeere]

Why can a semi pulling an 80,000 lb trailer get 5 to 6 mpg while my F350 pulling 10,000 only gets 15 and my VW TDI only carrying 500 lbs only gets about 50 mpg?

Is it all gearing?

No it's efficiency of scale . Same as one 200 HP tractor will do more work on less fuel than two 100HP tractors to cultivate 500 acres.

 

[Soundguy]

Carefull. Somebody will use thier experience with 1960's gasoline and diesel tractors to make a decision in 2016.
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And what's that suposed to mean?

If someone rolled out a brand new clone of a ford 861 gasser ( with a rops and seatbelt ), but otherwise the same basic tractor... I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

I recall cub cadet with a gas powered tractor ( large scut/small cut sized ) in the late 90's