Seat switch bypass

[PhysAssist]

http://nj.gov/health/surv/documents/94nj141.pdf

http://www.public-health.uiowa.edu/face/alerts/1012Alert.pdf

NIOSH FACE Program: Michigan Case Report 02MI140 | CDC/NIOSH

Part 2: Unsafe tractors drive up death toll at family farms - StarTribune.com

https://books.google.com/books?id=I...ved=0ahUKEwiWg6yp0rDLAhWMth4KHXLdBsIQ6AEIKzAI

Runovers are second only to*tractor*rollovers as a cause of*death*on*farms. ... and/or missing or bypassed*safety interlocks, many operators are tempted to work around these difficulties by jump starting*...

https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/NNBBXB.pdf

http://fyi.uwex.edu/agsafety/osha-wi-dairy-farm-lep/

http://extension.psu.edu/business/ag-safety/vehicles-and-machinery/other/e47

Australia: http://www.worksafenews.com.au/news/item/411-reduce-the-dangers-posed-by-your-tractor.html

http://msucares.com/news/print/agnews/an97/970915hw.htm

http://www.postbulletin.com/safety-...d67-9263-5095-acc6-fe6798cd7b1d.html?mode=jqm
Farming averages 44 deaths per 100,000 workers,'' he said. ``Tractors are the No. 1 cause of deaths involving farm activities. One out of every four times a tractor is involved in an accident, the accident is fatal.''

Just sayin...

 

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http://nj.gov/health/surv/documents/94nj141.pdf http://www.public-health.uiowa.edu/face/alerts/1012Alert.pdf NIOSH FACE Program: Michigan Case Report 02MI140 | CDC/NIOSH Part 2: Unsafe tractors drive up death toll at family farms - StarTribune.com https://books.google.com/books?id=IPMqS_sqoQMC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=safety+interlock+farm+tractor+fatalities&source=bl&ots=icoXUSTIM9&sig=iutZv9ZmVAZ55kMQVNGpt9-3JKw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWg6yp0rDLAhWMth4KHXLdBsIQ6AEIKzAI Runovers are second only to*tractor*rollovers as a cause of*death*on*farms. ... and/or missing or bypassed*safety interlocks, many operators are tempted to work around these difficulties by jump starting*... https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/NNBBXB.pdf http://fyi.uwex.edu/agsafety/osha-wi-dairy-farm-lep/ http://extension.psu.edu/business/ag-safety/vehicles-and-machinery/other/e47 Australia: http://www.worksafenews.com.au/news/item/411-reduce-the-dangers-posed-by-your-tractor.html http://msucares.com/news/print/agnews/an97/970915hw.htm http://www.postbulletin.com/safety-must-be-first-with-tractors/article_06d78d67-9263-5095-acc6-fe6798cd7b1d.html?mode=jqm Farming averages 44 deaths per 100,000 workers,'' he said. ``Tractors are the No. 1 cause of deaths involving farm activities. One out of every four times a tractor is involved in an accident, the accident is fatal.'' Just sayin...

Thank you kindly for this, Thomas. I always appreciate it during these discussions when someone comes up with some actual research or data. I too am not happy with the fact that every time I lean forward my tractor threatens to shut off, but I will certainly read all of the links that you posted before making my decision about what to do.

 

[Citydude]

Humm, I've never had an issue with the safety switch. The only way I can trigger it is when I unbuckle my seatbelt and stand up. I operate on some pretty steep terrain, constantly shifting my weight around while doing so and it has never triggered a shut down. And I'm a "city dude"

 

[civilian]

Humm, I've never had an issue with the safety switch. The only way I can trigger it is when I unbuckle my seatbelt and stand up. I operate on some pretty steep terrain, constantly shifting my weight around while doing so and it has never triggered a shut down. And I'm a "city dude"

But you wear your seatbelt which helps you stay in the seat properly.

 

[Citydude]

You caught the drift....

 

[4570Man]

Not one of those cases made a good case for seat safety switches. How about you don't try to start a tractor standing on the ground. Ok I admit, I have done it. There are other far less annoying safeties to prevent that anyway. Modern tractors have a safety requiring the tractor to be in neutral and the clutch be pushed in to start. I disabled the seat safety, but those safeties are still operational. How could a roll over be prevented by a seat safety? Posting those served no purpose.

 

[Citydude]

Maybe if we look at what the switch can save, say with a tip over, it will shut the engine off possibly saving it.

 

[Oldpath05]

Safety is good, but freedom of choice is priceless! That safety seat down switch is to much, at times I think it makes things more unsafe when come's to pto winching, on off on off on off. I'm to accustom of starting my tractor on the ground or garage floor now that I cant change, it brings out the common sense in me, but the neutral gear safety switch is gonna stay hooked on my L3400.

 

[Oldpath05]

Maybe if we look at what the switch can save, say with a tip over, it will shut the engine off possibly saving it.

The key switch will do the same thing as that the seat switch will do. I recommend an auto air shut off switch for when the tractor tips over.

 

[PhysAssist]

Humm, I've never had an issue with the safety switch. The only way I can trigger it is when I unbuckle my seatbelt and stand up. I operate on some pretty steep terrain, constantly shifting my weight around while doing so and it has never triggered a shut down. And I'm a "city dude"

Ironically, in regard to my previous posting, we HAVE had issues with the tractor shutting itself off when we are operating it on even mild side slopes.

We have especially had problems with unplanned shut downs while getting off of it (especially if it is sitting on a slide side tilt), but I have been wondering if there is a loose component involved, because it then becomes very difficult to restart, to point that my SWMBO has on occasion had to leave it out (even in the rain-OMG!! the inhumanity) until I could come home and run through several iterations of restarting it.

Unfortunately, it is not at all clear why it eventually starts, when it does.

This seems/feels like either a loose connection or a faulty switch to me.

 

[PhysAssist]

Not one of those cases made a good case for seat safety switches. How about you don't try to start a tractor standing on the ground. Ok I admit, I have done it. There are other far less annoying safeties to prevent that anyway. Modern tractors have a safety requiring the tractor to be in neutral and the clutch be pushed in to start. I disabled the seat safety, but those safeties are still operational. How could a roll over be prevented by a seat safety? Posting those served no purpose.

Not true, the seat safety switches are also there to prevent starting the tractor with the operator's foot, clothes, or limbs entangled in the PTO, or at risk of being so.

Also my HST tractor doesn't require it to be in neutral or have a clutch depressed to start, but it is supposed to require an operator presence, or at least have the seat switch engaged.

So some of the articles cite rollovers- every one of them that I included also cites injuries or deaths caused by defeating safety interlocks.

So some weren't necessarily the seat interlock, SO WHAT-to me, safety is the question, and the answer was clear in EVERY SINGLE article- a DEATH or SERIOUS injury was the result of someone havjng been in too much of a hurry, or too lazy, or too inconvenienced to run the tractor or skidsteer as designed-with the safety interlocks operating.

The most criminal thing to me were the cases where the defeated interlock was caused by a PREVIOUS OWNER- more evidence that it isn't just your own health and life you are potentially risking.

4570,
If you think my post was purposeless, then DON'T READ IT, and for GOD's sake DON'T follow the links.

It wasn't intended for the apparently close-minded types who have already decided what they want to do, are just here trying to justify their choice, and can't be swayed by reason and logic, it was posted for people who haven't come to a conclusion and WANT to learn and understand.

You may not accept this, but until I read some of these (and make no mistake, the links I posted were just a few from a single VERY cursory search), I have been entertaining thoughts recently of disconnecting our seat interlocks because of the problems listed in my previous post, but having read them, I am instead going to have my dealer investigate our tractor and see if an electrical fault is causing our problems.

DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt.

 

[DK35vince]

My tractor will not start if the clutch peddle is not depressed or if the PTO switch is on.
Never had a seat switch. Guess I better park the thing.

 

[PhysAssist]

The key switch will do the same thing as that the seat switch will do. I recommend an auto air shut off switch for when the tractor tips over.

How will the key switch AUTOMATICALLY switch off the tractor if it rolls over?

Also for those who may not understand, the motor off seat safety switches AREN'T there to protect the motor, they're to protect YOU from being caught and pulled into and under the rotating tires, which could occur, should the tractor overturn and the motor not shut off while the "gears" or transmission is engaged, and you either fall off the seat (not wearing seatbelt- which is critically necessary to let the ROPS protect you) OR if you rolled over, and unhooked your seatbelt before remembering to turn off the (un-magical/non-automatic) key switch (which most of us are stuck with).

 

[PhysAssist]

My tractor will not start if the clutch peddle is not depressed or if the PTO switch is on.
Never had a seat switch. Guess I better park the thing.

Maybe you need to disconnect those pesky annoying interlocks instead.

 

[4570Man]

Not true, the seat safety switches are also there to prevent starting the tractor with the operator's foot, clothes, or limbs entangled in the PTO, or at risk of being so. Also my HST tractor doesn't require it to be in neutral or have a clutch depressed to start, but it is supposed to require an operator presence, or at least have the seat switch engaged. So some of the articles cite rollovers- every one of them that I included also cites injuries or deaths caused by defeating safety interlocks. So some weren't necessarily the seat interlock, SO WHAT-to me, safety is the question, and the answer was clear in EVERY SINGLE article- a DEATH or SERIOUS injury was the result of someone havjng been in too much of a hurry, or too lazy, or too inconvenienced to run the tractor or skidsteer as designed-with the safety interlocks operating. The most criminal thing to me were the cases where the defeated interlock was caused by a PREVIOUS OWNER- more evidence that it isn't just your own health and life you are potentially risking. 4570, If you think my post was purposeless, then DON'T READ IT, and for GOD's sake DON'T follow the links. It wasn't intended for the apparently close-minded types who have already decided what they want to do, are just here trying to justify their choice, and can't be swayed by reason and logic, it was posted for people who haven't come to a conclusion and WANT to learn and understand. You may not accept this, but until I read some of these (and make no mistake, the links I posted were just a few from a single VERY cursory search), I have been entertaining thoughts recently of disconnecting our seat interlocks because of the problems listed in my previous post, but having read them, I am instead going to have my dealer investigate our tractor and see if an electrical fault is causing our problems. DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt.

There is a safety in the HST pedal that requires it to be in the "neutral" position to start. Being in a hurry or lazy was the cause of every single one of these accidents not the lack of safety crap. I have started a machine several times be shorting across the starter, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I had to do it because a friggin safety was malfunctioning and wouldn't allow the key to start it. You are right I have already made up my mind. You're free to do the same.

 

[PhysAssist]

Oldpath, 450,

Everybody, please forgive my crankiness and sarcasm, I have been home sick with the flu all week, and the inactivity is apparently making me testy.

Seriously,
Thomas

PS: I AM also very serious about safety, but it IS still a free country, and you pay your money and take your chance, but please consider your family, who may be left either bereft by your demise, or maybe worse, left caring for your senseless husk, and remember not all incidents just kill the "victim"- they may instead maim him, OR worse someone else.

Finally, these "accidents" don't just affect and cost the victim and his family, the costs spread outward in ever expanding rings- which is one of the things that generated the safety features in the first place

 

[Citydude]

I don't have an issue with the switch. If I did, and it was causing me anguish, I would be looking at other options I suppose.

I do take risks. I drive over the speed limit from time to time, have, at times, had that second glass of wine at dinner out and enjoy a good cigar. Would I take the seat switch out? Probably not because I'm always by myself in the middle of nowhere when I'm on my tractor.

 

[Citydude]

Oldpath, 450,

Everybody, please forgive my crankiness and sarcasm, I have been home sick with the flu all week, and the inactivity is apparently making me testy.

Seriously,
Thomas

PS: I AM also very serious about safety, but it IS still a free country, and you pay your money and take your chance, but please consider your family, who may be left either bereft by your demise, or maybe worse, left caring for your senseless husk, and remember not all incidents just kill the "victim"- they may instead maim him, OR worse someone else.

Finally, these "accidents" don't just affect and cost the victim and his family, the costs spread outward in ever expanding rings- which is one of the things that generated the safety features in the first place

Your forgiven. Get well!

 

[4570Man]

Try picking up something from ground level with pallet forks with the seat safety being operational. Assuming a tractor already has a safety to prevent being started from the ground (clutch or neutral safety) what good is a seat safety going to do?

 

[PhysAssist]

Your forgiven. Get well!

Thanks, I am working at it, but enforced rest is a pain.

How are you in the middle of no where as "City Dude"?