lets discuss preps for disasters

   / lets discuss preps for disasters
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#61  
Man, this sure got weird. Almost cult like. Keep the foil on your heads too so the scanners cant get you. :thumbsup:

? 59 good usefull post then this?

why do you think faraday shielding a piece of electronics is 'weird' ?
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #62  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #63  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?

Ever watch the news?

Society crumbles in a matter of days. Remember Katrina? Once authority and/or basic services disappear, chaos begins. You are quickly on your own.

It doesn't take nuclear weapons to create social unrest, looting, lack of food and other risks to your safety.

I was trying to remember... Seems like there is a 5 day supply of food in the chain - after that you better have something in reserve.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #64  
I have had this discussion with some friends , first if it gets bad , you can only go as far as your fuel tank allows you . Gas stations will be out . Then you need a place to go . I live in the balto/ washington corridor . Its bad enough with traffic , now throw panic on top of that and you are going no where fast . The only way out of this area is by boat .
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters
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#66  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?

You have apparently never lived thru an extended utility outage that had no power, fuel or fresh foods for weeks, nor have you had to band together to keep looters out of storm devistated areas. Some of us have. In the 90's me and a buddy drive over to my parents house after the big storm ? Charlie?

Roads were not passable. We ditched his car and walked a couple miles thru downed poles, trees, and roofs in peoples yards.

If you don't like our swimming pool here in this thread why did you come in here just to pee in it?



If the idea of being storm prepared makes you itchy and uncomfortable.. Why read and post negatives??
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #67  
Given that fuel could become scarce, your generators may last only a few days. Solar generators 1800W can be found for under $2K. I've got my eye on a 4000W model that is not cost prohibitive. These would provide basic power for indefinite periods - which would be a major factor in your quality of life.

Further, generators make noise (attract undesirable folks) while solar generators are completely silent.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #68  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?

Actually I don't think there's ever been a movie made that accurately depicts how fast our lives could be turned upside down...if you think the gov. or other powers that be are going to protect you...you are unfortunately mistaken...just ask all the business owners that have their stores looted every time there is a minor disaster or racial skirmish etc.,etc...

Even in a non-worse case scenario...things can get out of hand very quickly...those that are prepared will be preyed on by those that don't...they won't last long...:D
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #69  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?

Nope. I just pay attention. Studying history is good for a lot more than trivial facts.

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   / lets discuss preps for disasters #70  
I like this thread as I probably spend too much time speculating on what to do when things go pear-shaped. I've got a spare bedroom for a pantry, load up on stuff when it's on sale and date it so you can rotate it. #10 cans of stuff from the restaurant supply places keep and stack well, paper goods keep indefinitely. To get an idea of how long things will last, mark the date that you open something so when it runs out you'll know, like a 3 pound can of coffee lasts 41 days, you can get a mean average of how much to have on hand.
It's difficult to say what the most likely threat will be; a CME is a certainty somewhere down the line, an airburst nuke from Iran is probably around 85% within the next seven years. That will knock out the power grid, and it will not be restored for years, as there are no spares for a lot of substation critical components, and sourcing them will be difficult without manufacturing capabilities.
The biggest problem I'd face is being alone here. As mentioned earlier, you can't keep watch 24/7 and defend all points, plus forage. With a good group you can defend against the inevitable invaders that will fan outwards once their gibs-me-dat cards don't work anymore.
If there was a nuclear exchange, then all bets are off, depending on how close it is. I just watched an excellent movie from the 80's called Threads, about a strike in England, it paints a pretty bleak picture a good ten years afterward.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #72  
I have an "ok" supply of essentials -- though life wouldn't be comfortable.

Meat (and eggs) can be salted to preserve them. You can pickle nearly anything... May not taste how you want it, but hey... It works.

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You bring up a point that I have thought of on several occasion. In a time of difficulty, where does one "get" salt.

Do you know of the nearest salt mine in your area? The ocean is only about 100 miles from my home. quite a hike if there be trouble about. And besides, Salt water is NOT salt, that takes time.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #73  
"Nobody can stay awake 24/7": that's a good reason to keep your noisy dog around.

Just out of curiosity, how many are ham operators?
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #74  
"Nobody can stay awake 24/7": that's a good reason to keep your noisy dog around.

Just out of curiosity, how many are ham operators?

I have my license but no longer get on the radio.

In the event of CME/EMP you won't be talking on anything but a can and a string.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #75  
You bring up a point that I have thought of on several occasion. In a time of difficulty, where does one "get" salt. Do you know of the nearest salt mine in your area? The ocean is only about 100 miles from my home. quite a hike if there be trouble about. And besides, Salt water is NOT salt, that takes time.

Good question. That would be one of those $100 per ounce items.
Probably a good item to stockpile if you're into stockpiling. Infinite shelf life I suppose.
Vinegar too. It's incredibly useful.

Speaking of infinite shelf life. Bleach has already been mentioned. Countless uses.
Alcohol. (Rubbing alcohol, specifically) But other kinds too if that's suits you. :)
Peroxide. Propane. Oils (all kinds). Paper goods. Good hand tools. Glass and metal containers with good lids.

I don't intend to shift the focus to long term. Soundguy originally was referring to short term scenarios.
My mind just tends to think sustainability. If I'm prepared for long term, I'm prepared for short term too. Basically.

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   / lets discuss preps for disasters #76  
I think most of this thread is weird. Talking about groups with different skills and not being able to stay up for 24 hours to guard the property. Too many movies?

I'm with you.I don't need to be prepared for anything. With the current group of really, really smart people in Washington I'll just rely on FEMA. I would encourage all people to turn in their firearms as well; that way you and your families can be safe.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #77  
Ahh... without power for filtration, your pool water is turning bad within 48 hours.

After a hurricane, well, not useable for anything else other than toilets unless you have some purification methods handy.

Don't overlook charcoal for long term value. Both storage and cooking value.

You can still use the pool water to flush the toilet and you can still run the pool water trough a filter or distill it to make it drinkable. Same goes for well water.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #78  
You can still use the pool water to flush the toilet and you can still run the pool water trough a filter or distill it to make it drinkable. Same goes for well water.

Why would you filter or purify well water? It's just as pure after SHTF as it is before.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #79  
I read a brief summary of a CIA study saying that with in 6 months of a total power grid failure, they expected something like 85% fatality, and after 12 months 90%. Think it stabilized at that point.

So, something no one has mentioned is deeds, car titles, marriage license, ect. Not sure if in a longer term event your "proof" of ownership would mater, and depending on the event possibly could be used against you ( ie Kulaks in 1920s Ukraine).

Copies of that stuff should be kept at home. The originals should be in a safe deposit box in a bank or credit union.
 
   / lets discuss preps for disasters #80  
I grew up in Earth Quake country and we always had bottled water and some food with our camping supplies. Moving to Texas I've learned about tornadoes and hurricanes. When Katrina and then Rita hit, the forecast was for as much as 20 inches of rain where I'm at. It never happened, but if it had, I don't know what I would have done since I wasn't prepared at all. Last year two tornado's hit fairly close to where I'm at. The worse one was in Van Texas, about 20 miles away. It was an EF3. Driving by there and seeing the damage is just surreal. There is path through the woods where every tree is snapped in half. It's over a hundred yards wide and as far as you can see!!!! The second one was only a EF1, but it shut down the city of Henderson for a week in some places and clean up took a few months. That was 30 miles away.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Van...X&ved=0CCgQsARqFQoTCOT05s6mjcgCFY0viAodaSABGA

That really was a wake up call for us. While I still keep camping supplies and water stored in my shop, and a generator with fuel ready for our normal ice storms or severe rains, a tornado is a different story. Our new goal is to create a storm shelter/underground storage room. Having supplies is only good if you have them in a safe place. It will have a bathroom too. Size will be 16x16 with the stairs going down into it inside that space and the half bath under the stairs. This will require a bunch of digging and trenching to get the drain line to go far enough away to where I can get it to a new septic tank, but when done, it will be our safe place.

We are also in the process of creating a canning/processing room. The garden gets better every year, but storing what we grow and having space to work with it is lacking. The room is framed, but still lacks utilities and finishing. It's 12ft x 24ft.

Natural disasters are only part of our concern. We are also very worried about the economy and reducing our dependence on walmart or other stores for food. We have begun clearing our fence line around the property and improving the pastures for grazing. Having cattle will provide an addition source of income, and food for us through out the year. Same thing with raising chickens. We have 11 layers that are providing more eggs then we can eat. Karen is selling them for $3 a dozen at work, which pays for their food. We have another 24 chicks that we are raising for more layers and also butchering for us to eat. Which is another reason for the processing room.

Unlike Soundguy, I like Mountain House freeze dried food. I've found that some of them are rather bland, but others are fantastic tasting. I've been on week long hunting trips where that is all we had to eat, and I enjoyed every meal. You just don't buy the bad tasting ones once you figure out what you like and what you don't like.

These are all long term goals. In the short term, we will continue with having a weeks supply of food and water on hand and hope for the best.

Tornados suck! We have had them almost every year in near proximity, mostly limited local damage and very rarely loss of life, However, several years ago, one was particularly close (jumped OVER my in-law's house and went west of us by 1/4 mile) and was on the ground for about 45 miles! It varied from 1/4 mile wide to walking path wide over that distance. I frequently mention basements in the home building threads and get poo-poo'd quite often, usually the reason being "they're damp" or "they're expensive". Many, many times in my life I've been dragged to the basement by my parents and I've dragged my family to the basement in a tornado or thunderstorm. It is quite a satisfying feeling to be warm, dry and underground when storms threaten. If built correctly, there are no moisture issues. Around here, you have to put in footings below the frost line, and a concrete wall and slab. That's generally 4' deep. So the only added cost is to dig out the hole deeper, 4' more of concrete all the way around, and stairs. Its well worth it. If we ever build a new house, I'm going to put in a small room in a corner with a reinforced concrete ceiling as well. My dad built a bomb shelter in his house in the 50's with a concrete ceiling and that was THE place to be in a storm. Also, around here, houses without basements sell for quite a bit less. Most basements are finished with at least one recreation room and 1/2 bath and plenty of climate controlled storage. :thumbsup:
 

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