Need advice about stripping oak

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Guys....just purchased a 48" round oak table and 4 chairs at a garage sale...furniture is sound but finish is dark oak....appears that what it on them is only stain as there is no gloss whatsoever...not sure if the finish was just a stain or a stain and varnish. Having little experience in stripping oak furniture, I would appreciate any advice as to how it is done properly. Yeah....supposedly you apply a stripper and wash it off....seems simple enough...BUT....does washing it off include using a power washer....:laughing: it has been close to 30 years since I have done this type of project. Any recommendations for particular products? THANK YOU!!!!
 
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I stripped my oak cabinet doors with naval jelly and then hosed it off with standard household pressure. I had to use a brass bristle brush in some of the crevices and a second coating of stripper on some of them to get all the old varnish and stain out. I then put on several coats of tongue oil with a natural color (no stain) that let the oak grain really stand out. They looked really good when I got all the old black looking stain and several years of residue off of them.
 
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It could also be a (Watkins type) oil finish. Oil finishes do not have the high sheen that varnishes and poly finishes may have

Personally I would hesitate to use water if I could.
Water tends to raise the grain of the wood, and can also cause it to do some odd (warping) things when it gets wet
 
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It could also be a (Watkins type) oil finish. Oil finishes do not have the high sheen that varnishes and poly finishes may have

Personally I would hesitate to use water if I could.
Water tends to raise the grain of the wood, and can also cause it to do some odd (warping) things when it gets wet[/QUOTE

Appreciate your input...but I am at a loss to understand how to remove any type of chemical stripper on wood without using water. The furniture appears to be solid enough (solid wood and thick enough) that I don't have to worry about warping. I thought about sanding, but the chairs would be a b***h to sand as would the pedestal round base on the table.
 
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From one of the first web searches I pulled up
I didn't really read much of it, I scanned it for the "water" portion

Choosing a Paint and Varnish Remover




Most home centers, hardware and paint stores, drugstores, variety stores, and even grocery stores carry a variety of paint and varnish removers. All soften old finishes so that they can be scraped, washed, steel-wooled, or sanded off. There are differences among removers, however, in chemical content, removal techniques, and price.

Inexpensive paint and varnish removers soften old finishes, but they're not necessarily the bargain they appear to be. First of all, these removers may contain a waxy substance: paraffin. Paraffin gives the wood an oily look and feel and prevents the new finish from adhering properly. It must be removed with turpentine or mineral spirits before the new finish can be applied. Not only is this another step in the stripping process, but the additional money spent on turpentine or mineral spirits can be considerable. In the long run, you may end up spending as much as you would for the more expensive paint and varnish removers.

Inexpensive removers may also be flammable and highly toxic; check the labels carefully. This makes good ventilation -- preferably outdoors -- a must. And you must take care to keep the area free of open flame. No smoking while you work, and stay away from appliances with pilot lights.

The more expensive paint and varnish removers probably don't contain paraffin, but they might very well contain a special wax that helps prolong the chemical evaporation process. This wax, like paraffin, must be removed after the furniture is stripped, regardless of the no-cleanup claims. A turpentine or mineral spirit rubbing or a light sanding with No. 0000 steel wool or very-fine-grit sandpaper will remove the wax.

Some paint and varnish removers don't have wax; while you have to take extra precautions against evaporation, this extra cleaning step is eliminated. The more expensive paint removers probably contain methylene chloride, which decreases the flammability of the other chemicals in the remover. They are probably also nontoxic, although good ventilation is always desirable.

The most expensive removers are usually labeled "water-rinsing," "wash-away," or "water cleanup." After application, the finish is washed off with water instead of being scraped or sanded off. The claims are true if you follow the manufacturer's directions to the letter. The chemicals in these removers contain special emulsifiers that mix with the rinse water, resulting in a squeaky-clean finish.

The problem with these wash-away removers is that water is the natural enemy of wood and certain glues. The water used to remove the chemicals must be removed from the wood as soon as possible to avoid raising the wood grain or dissolving the glue. This water problem is especially pronounced with veneer finishes and inlays. To be safe, never use wash-away remover on veneers or inlays.

Most removers are available in liquid or semi-paste forms. The semi-paste removers contain a starch or stiffener. They're designed for vertical surfaces where staying power is important, such as the legs of a chair. These semi-paste removers are susceptible to the same problems (wax, flammability, toxicity) as the others. You can, however, buy a nonflammable, non-toxic, non-wax semi-paste.

These thick removers can be used on flat surfaces as well as vertical, if desired.

For many jobs, the more expensive wash-away removers may be worth the price in time and work saved. The non-flammability of a remover is also a big consideration, and any remover that is toxic may not be worth the price you pay for it, small or large. The semi-paste removers are the easiest to work with when starting out, although you may want to experiment with a liquid remover as well. All in all, no one remover is necessarily better than another. The key to finding a remover you're comfortable with is experimentation. Try different types of removers, perhaps on the same piece of furniture, until you find one you like.

There are refinishing kits on the market that contain all the materials you need. These kits have paint and varnish remover, steel wool, stain, and top finishes. For the most part, these products are excellent. You should check them out before starting any refinishing job.

Once you decide what you will use to remove the old finish, you are ready to get to work. Learn proper finish removal techniques in the next section.
 
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I used straight ammonia once to strip rippled old varnish. It worked great- stank though!
 
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Stripper products will take surface paints/varnishes off, but won't do much for any stain. So keep that in mind. The stain would have penetrated into the wood.

Try to see if you can scrape or chip off the finish in an inconspicuous place. What you see underneath is what you'd get with a stripper product.
 
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You might do well to check and see if there are any commercial strippers close that could do it for you, that is if EPA hasn't run them all out of business.
 
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No water!!!! First, strippers are for film finishes, like paint, varnish, polyurethane, lacquer etc. If there is no finish, why strip???? So determining the finish is helpful. If it has an oil finish like linseed or tung oil, and there are no defects, simply wiping on a few more coats may be simple. Clean it first by wiping with paint thinner to get off dirt and oils. Then see what you have. It may look pretty good. Then try wiping on a "wiping varnish". I mix my own using spar varnish, turpentine and linseed oil in a 1:1:1 mix. (Boiled linseed not raw linseed). Use a rag and wipe it on and wipe off excess. Let dry. Do it again. 3 or 4 times. Rubbing between coats with a scotch pad.

If it has a film finish and you are determined to remove it then use a commercial stripper. Wear neoprene gloves and eye protection. A gel like Stripeaze works best . Brush it on, wait for finish (if any) to bubble and wipe crud off with coarse towels or on flat surfaces, a scraper. Do it again. It may take 4 or 5 times. And the crevices require patience and elbow grease. You'll quickly see what finish may be there.

Avoid sanding if possible. It ruins the aged patina of the wood. Avoid water. It raises the grain, swells the wood and will adversely damage glue joint and generally just screw up everything.

Then the next decision is what to finish it with. If you need help there let me know. Lots of choices depending on what your goals are
 
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You might do well to check and see if there are any commercial strippers close that could do it for you, that is if EPA hasn't run them all out of business.

Second that.......much easier and not that expensive......we've done tables, chairs and headboards. Good luck with you project!
 
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Second that.......much easier and not that expensive......we've done tables, chairs and headboards. Good luck with you project!

Another vote here. Spent many hours stripping things like this. If theres someone around that can dunk the chairs it will save you a lot of trouble. Are you just looking to lighten everything up?
 
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Do not use water! Most glues used for furniture are not water proof or water resistant. Use water and you have a good chance of breaking the glue bonds and your table will fall apart or at least cause some separation of the joints and weaken the whole table. If it is solid Oak and not a veneer you can use a power sander and carefully sand out the stain, but keep the sander moving so you don't create an uneven surface. You can use hand scrapers if you don't have a sander.

If it is veneer you can use a heat gun to heat the top to break the glues adhesion. Remove the old veneer, strip off the old glue, again heat and a putty knife plus some power sanding or hand scraping. You can buy new veneer at most wood working supply stores (not the box stores).

Use a good quality contact cement and put a coat on the veneer and the table top. Lay sticks or or boards that are the width of the table on the table top on top of the cement. Put your veneer glue side down on top of the sticks. Square up the veneer to the table top then start at one end and pull a stick out. Press the veneer to the table with your hand. Keep repeating this until you have the top and the veneer mated, then use a J roller to ensure you have a good contact with no air bubbles.

Use a router to trim the veneer edge, then use a piece of sand paper or a file to knock off the sharp edge that is left from the trimming. It sounds difficult but if you pick up some books or watch a demo on YouTube you will find it is not that difficult. Good luck, you will have to decide if the table is worth this extra work.
 
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I found that a glow stick will work. Lets say if a child leaves it on their dresser it will take the finish and stain right off. :)
 
 
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