New Truck time

[Duffster]

I pretty much understand if you have a dually and a GN set up to pull over 14000 (like dual tandems) you hit CDL territory.

One of the downsides to owning a dually if you do anything commercial.


Pretty much can't tow a backhoe without a CDL.

Depends on the size of the backhoe.

GN or not has nothing to do with it.

 

[Duffster]

Around here that wouldn't trigger a CDL unless there were air brakes involved and it's commercial...At least that's the way I understand it...Otherwise all of the 70 year olds with the $250,000 Class A's would have CDL's...They don't.

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.

Air brakes have nothing to do with it. Many RV's have air brakes.

Its true that if you are commercial you need a air brake endorsement but for non commercial it has no bearing.

Chris

There is no such thing in the states.

 

[joe t]

Depends on the size of the backhoe.

GN or not has nothing to do with it.

14000 lb backhoe plus 5000lb trailer is about as light as it is going to get. So you need a truck that can handle 1900lbs on the hitch or 3800lbs pin on the gn. That would be a dually. Your rated gcvw would be over 26000. Need a Cdl to pull that legally.


Not that you can't find away around it such as tagging your trailer for less so the combined ratings are below 26000 but you are gonna be over if you get weighed.

 

[mikehaugen]

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.



There is no such thing in the states.

I know for a fact (well I guess this was about 6 years ago) that there is. I remember where I used to work they hired new truck driver to drive a straight truck, he had a CDL but no air brake endorsement. They hired him anyway but he couldn't drive anything until he went and took the test to get the endorsement.

 

[texasjohn]

I'd go a Toyota Tundra. From Edmunds commenting on it there are options to fit your needs:

As an American-built truck with true full-size proportions, the second-generation Tundra features three cab sizes, three bed lengths and a choice of three engines. In pretty much every measure, the Toyota Tundra stands equal to competing 1500-series pickups.

Some Regular Cabs and Double Cabs have as their standard engine a 4.0-liter V6 rated at 270 horsepower and 278 pound-feet of torque. Other Tundras receive a 4.6-liter V8 putting out 310 horses and 327 lb-ft of torque. The big engine option is a 5.7-liter V8 cranking out 381 hp and 401 lb-ft. The V6 gets a five-speed automatic transmission, while the V8s are hooked to six-speed automatics. All versions are offered with rear-wheel drive or four-wheel drive.

In addition to its strong V8s, the Toyota Tundra stands out thanks to its passenger-friendly cabins. The extended Double Cab features traditional front-hinged doors, making day-to-day usability easier than Chevy and Ford trucks with the more traditional reverse-opening access doors. The Tundra CrewMax, meanwhile, is truly enormous, featuring class-leading legroom and a rear seat that not only slides but reclines as well.

 

[bironacad]

Here is the restrictions for Ontario:
Licence Types
Looks like any towed vehicle over 10120 lbs requires an A or A (r) license. That also means if the trailer is rated for a combined weight over the
10120 lbs.

Mileage, Highway pulling 12,700 lb. RV fifth wheel

22 litres per 100 km
or 10.7 miles per US gallon

5.9 Cummings Diesel, Smarty Jr chip, 4" exhaust, cold air intake.

 

[Diamondpilot]

If you pulling 17k with something that is adequate to pull it it'll need a CDL. He is commercial.

Air brake or not means nothing.

There is no such thing in the states.

Guess technically you are right. There is no endorsement per say but if you take the test in a rig without air brakes your license will state no air brakes.

For example my neighbor took his test in a F350 pulling a trailee then got upgraded at work to a bucket truck with air brakes so he had to go back and show competent skills on air brakes but on truck only. No trailer was needed for the test.

Chris

 

[Duffster]

14000 lb backhoe plus 5000lb trailer is about as light as it is going to get. So you need a truck that can handle 1900lbs on the hitch or 3800lbs pin on the gn. That would be a dually. Your rated gcvw would be over 26000. Need a Cdl to pull that legally.


Not that you can't find away around it such as tagging your trailer for less so the combined ratings are below 26000 but you are gonna be over if you get weighed.

14k backhoe on a 17.2k GVWR trailer behind a 8.8k GVWR F250= No CDL.

 

[Duffster]

I know for a fact (well I guess this was about 6 years ago) that there is. I remember where I used to work they hired new truck driver to drive a straight truck, he had a CDL but no air brake endorsement. They hired him anyway but he couldn't drive anything until he went and took the test to get the endorsement.

Your "fact" isn't so factual.

If he had a "B" and couldn't drive the truck with air it was because he had a restriction.

There has been no air brake endorsement on a CDL in the USA since at least the early 90's when the CDL was standardized nationally

 

[mikehaugen]

Alright, maybe my post came across a little harsh. Maybe you are right, maybe they are right, I don't know- that's just what they were telling me.

 

[ededic]

Pulling what, your kids little red wagon? No matter what pulling any load is going to affect mpg. Your dash is lying to you. Hitch up your load and start with a full tank of fuel then tow it 100 miles and fill up again and do the math. Pulling any load over 8, 000# you will be lucky to see double digest no matter what brand of truck.

Chris

You got me. I pulled it 100 miles. Yup, still 16.4 mpg. I don't have a tractor over #8000, should I put some rocks in it and try again?





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[murphy1244]

You got me. I pulled it 100 miles. Yup, still 16.4 mpg. I don't have a tractor over #8000, should I put some rocks in it and try again?



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[Diamondpilot]

You got me. I pulled it 100 miles. Yup, still 16.4 mpg. I don't have a tractor over #8000, should I put some rocks in it and try again?

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Love it... lol

In all serious I have owned two GM trucks, a Toyota, nine Fords, a Dodge, and a Nissan. All 4x4 except one, and four diesel. These are all 1997 and newer and I drive about 20,000 miles a year in each and tow loads from 7,000# to 25,000# about 5,000 miles a year or more and track every drop of fuel for business purposes. Its just the way it works while towing.

Chris

 

[joe t]

14k backhoe on a 17.2k GVWR trailer behind a 8.8k GVWR F250= No CDL.

Still over capacity on the truck side.


I don't think there is a way to pull a backhoe by the books without scuffing some numbers or getting a CDL. Not to say people don't do it. Just putting the food out there for thought to investigate before you buy.


For my business I've had a couple SRW trucks because of not wanting to go over 10K gvwr because I've been told insurance goes up. I also can't park a drw easily around where I work and they suck offroad without having a 4x4. If I need to haul something heavier I just pay to get it delivered or in the case of a backhoe we just drive it around town.

 

[Duffster]

Still over capacity on the truck side.

Not at all.

 

[joe t]

You got me. I pulled it 100 miles. Yup, still 16.4 mpg. I don't have a tractor over #8000, should I put some rocks in it and try again?



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Nice! Did she sway any?

 

[joe t]

Not at all.

3,800 minimal on the pin. You'd have to find an F250 that weighs 5,000lbs and is rated to tow 19,000. A mustang weighs almost 4000, good luck.

 

[timswi]

Air brakes have nothing to do with it. Many RV's have air brakes.

Its true that if you are commercial you need a air brake endorsement but for non commercial it has no bearing.

Chris

Around here the same dump druck with air brakes requires a CDL, one without does not (at least that's the way it was a few years ago)...I have friends who played on that fence. Maybe the laws have changed over the last some odd years... Yes there were GVW issues involved and I have no intention of nearing those numbers with anything that I pull.

I'm aware that RV's are exempt...

 

[joe t]

You might be able to scuff some numbers and get by with a new SRWF350. You'd have to add the gvwr to the tow rating and use a trailer with 2 heavy duty 8000lb singles. It would be pushing it though on the tires, axles and ratings.

I say singles because around here I've known people popped for pulling a dual tandem with a SRW.

 

[timswi]

You got me. I pulled it 100 miles. Yup, still 16.4 mpg. I don't have a tractor over #8000, should I put some rocks in it and try again?



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What, not WD, chains and anti-sway bars?...Living dangerously. :shocked:

I get similar empty mileage with my '11 GMC 6.2...Mind does around 12-13 towing depending on the what's and where's. I get about 1mpg worse with my gate trailers due to the drag.....I can live with that.