Grapple questions about choice of root grapple

   / questions about choice of root grapple #101  
Congrats on your new purchase, you will love the grapple! I find the wider width handy when using it for moving firewood, you simply can not carry the same amount of firewood on the narrowing grapple. For digging, yes narrower is better, however, if that is not your main purpose then don't worry about it.
As far as brush, the extra weight of the wider grapple won't matter. You will max out your ability to lift the brush by the physical size of the brush pile before you max out the weight.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #102  
A box blade on the rear is the perfect accessory for a grapple. It will smooth the soil after grappling and collect any missed debris. A rotary cutter will be bothersome due to its length and poor ability to go in reversre

Oh sure, the one attachment I DON"T have.......:)
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #103  
Oh sure, the one attachment I DON"T have.......:)

Dave,
Say it isn't so? You are missing the biggest benefit to your FitRite Hydraulics TnT setup! Your gonna need a box blade, make sure to get a heavy duty one to reap all the benefits. :D

Edit: I just tried looking on searchtempest for a box blade in your area, and you have the easiest zip code to remember I've ever seen. :)
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #104  
I'm heading out to pick up a pair of chainsaw chaps at the dealer, I'll see what he has in stock. I love the TNT for the grading scraper and rake (I have a 1600' driveway) and sure it will be great for the box blade. I see there's a recent thread on box blades. I'm really gonna need a pole barn....:)
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #105  
Well, I've about decided to go with a 48" LW grapple, from either Wildcat or Palletforks.com. I think it's just about a toss up between the two. The price is right at the same, either way.
Connie from Wildkat quoted me $ 800 + 125 shipping, and Todd from Palletforks.com quoted $920 shipping included.

I believe you take a chance with sloppy QA either way.
Wildkat, I like the center tooth on the upper jaw, but I am concerned that the pivot points of the upper jaw are simply bolts.
I also noted that the gussets on the teeth are a bit large. The meet each other at the base and form basically a vee. Might be an advantage for hooking roots, but also added resistance when raking through the soil. Was told the lines were 1/4.

Palletforks.com: Todd says they do have greasable fittings on the upper arms. Two teeth on the jaw. Slightly smaller gussets on the teeth. I questioned the thickness of the top tube. Was told it was certainly not 1/8, most likely 3/16. Was told the lines were 1/2".

I'll likely pull the trigger one way or the other, Monday.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #106  
Question: how are the hydraulics different on a grapple for a single cylinder vs. a double cylinder?

I have a 3rd function SCV that operates a front blade snow plow and I am wondering how my hydraulic configuration will adapt to either a single cylinder grapple vs. a double cylinder grapple.

Any technical knowledge on this subject would be appreciated.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #107  
Question: how are the hydraulics different on a grapple for a single cylinder vs. a double cylinder?

I have a 3rd function SCV that operates a front blade snow plow and I am wondering how my hydraulic configuration will adapt to either a single cylinder grapple vs. a double cylinder grapple.

Any technical knowledge on this subject would be appreciated.

A 3rd function is all you need to run a grapple whether is has 1 or 2 cylinders. The hoses probably tee together to operate 2 cylinders.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #108  
A 3rd function is all you need to run a grapple whether is has 1 or 2 cylinders. The hoses probably tee together to operate 2 cylinders.

Yes they do Tee together, so both grapples are run from your 3rd function remote. The nice part about this is it allows you to grip two uneven sized loads, or multiple loads. For instance, when I was moving quite a few stumps in the spring as I was clearing some land, I was able to take two stumps per trip to my stump pile. It decreased the amount of time I was handling stumps by half, which allowed me more seat time for the fun part, knocking over the trees!

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   / questions about choice of root grapple #109  
JD 4520 said:
Question: how are the hydraulics different on a grapple for a single cylinder vs. a double cylinder?

I have a 3rd function SCV that operates a front blade snow plow and I am wondering how my hydraulic configuration will adapt to either a single cylinder grapple vs. a double cylinder grapple.

Any technical knowledge on this subject would be appreciated.

To further understand, the hydraulics for the front blade are for swiveling the blade right to left so each side act in opposite of each other. In other words when one pushes out extending the cylinder, the other cylinder contracts. How will this work with a double cylinder grapple when both need to extend or contact together?

You can see that hydraulics are not currently part of my knowledge base but will soon be thanks to you.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #110  
To further understand, the hydraulics for the front blade are for swiveling the blade right to left so each side act in opposite of each other. In other words when one pushes out extending the cylinder, the other cylinder contracts. How will this work with a double cylinder grapple when both need to extend or contact together?

You can see that hydraulics are not currently part of my knowledge base but will soon be thanks to you.

The hoses on the same ends of the cylinder run into a tee and come out as 1 hose.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #111  
I had been wanting to pull out this log for a while and wondered if the grapple would do it. I was surprised how easy it came out!

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   / questions about choice of root grapple #112  
:thumbsup:
Dave,
Say it isn't so? You are missing the biggest benefit to your FitRite Hydraulics TnT setup! Your gonna need a box blade, make sure to get a heavy duty one to reap all the benefits. :D

Edit: I just tried looking on searchtempest for a box blade in your area, and you have the easiest zip code to remember I've ever seen. :)

Try the one I had in Virginia Beach and my brother still has,,,,23456 :D
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple
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#113  
I had been wanting to pull out this log for a while and wondered if the grapple would do it. I was surprised how easy it came out!

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Dave, your grapple looks strong. Also looks like you are having fun with it. Wish I had mine. I was piling up debris by hand today. The 4N1 bucket is great for lots of things but not for picking up scattered debris.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #114  
Reminds me of a proud cat that just caught its prey. :)
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #115  
To further understand, the hydraulics for the front blade are for swiveling the blade right to left so each side act in opposite of each other. In other words when one pushes out extending the cylinder, the other cylinder contracts. How will this work with a double cylinder grapple when both need to extend or contact together?

You can see that hydraulics are not currently part of my knowledge base but will soon be thanks to you.


Gary,
The two grapples are operated off of one hydraulic supply line, and one return line. It operates the exact same as a single grapple, only difference is that there is a Tee section put in the main supply/return so it branches out into two different hydraulic rams.

As an example, if I operate my 3rd function valve, and say I want to close the grapple half way (from fully open), I press the magic button to close the grapple half way, then let up. The two grapples will close the same amount because the exact same volume and pressure of hydraulic fluid are going to each grapple arm. If I got off the tractor, I could grab say, the right grapple arm, and physically push it down, to completely close that grapple arm, however, the left arm will now open fully, since they are Tee'd together, the fluid has to go somewhere.
The same thing happens when you pick up one single large boulder or something, lets' say about 2' in diameter for the heck of it. If you pick it up in the middle, you would be grabbing it with only the insides of each grapple (this is where a single grapple arm would completely grab the item, and hold it more securly than two arms) on the two grapple setup, both arms would close the same amount and the item would be centered between them. However, if you now drop the boulder or whatever you have, and pick it up with one grapple arm, it will work like this. With both arms fully open, you manuever the tractor to pick up the boulder with the right grapple arm, as you start to close the grapple, both arms will close together, then once the right arm starts to close on the boulder, it will stop, and the left one will continue to close fully, since there is nothing there to stop it, then once it is fully closed, the right arm will then close tightly on the boulder, and you can pick it up.

Hope that makes sense.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #116  
Piston said:
Gary,
The two grapples are operated off of one hydraulic supply line, and one return line. It operates the exact same as a single grapple, only difference is that there is a Tee section put in the main supply/return so it branches out into two different hydraulic rams.

As an example, if I operate my 3rd function valve, and say I want to close the grapple half way (from fully open), I press the magic button to close the grapple half way, then let up. The two grapples will close the same amount because the exact same volume and pressure of hydraulic fluid are going to each grapple arm. If I got off the tractor, I could grab say, the right grapple arm, and physically push it down, to completely close that grapple arm, however, the left arm will now open fully, since they are Tee'd together, the fluid has to go somewhere.
The same thing happens when you pick up one single large boulder or something, lets' say about 2' in diameter for the heck of it. If you pick it up in the middle, you would be grabbing it with only the insides of each grapple (this is where a single grapple arm would completely grab the item, and hold it more securly than two arms) on the two grapple setup, both arms would close the same amount and the item would be centered between them. However, if you now drop the boulder or whatever you have, and pick it up with one grapple arm, it will work like this. With both arms fully open, you manuever the tractor to pick up the boulder with the right grapple arm, as you start to close the grapple, both arms will close together, then once the right arm starts to close on the boulder, it will stop, and the left one will continue to close fully, since there is nothing there to stop it, then once it is fully closed, the right arm will then close tightly on the boulder, and you can pick it up.

Hope that makes sense.

Makes sense now and good reason why I probably want the smaller grapple (48" vs 66") with a single cylinder. Like I had mentioned, I am good mechanically on most everything but just don't have the background (yet) on hydraulics.

Thanks again.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #117  
Well, I got my new grapple today. Ordered the 48" LW grapple from Palletforks.com yesterday, and it was delivered today.
I know there had been some suspect posts in regards to "TitanSkidsteer" in the past, but this was my experience. Spoke with Todd when ordering yesterday, and he answered all of my questions.

Mine arrived on a pallett with a steel "crate" built around it. (1-1/4"angle iron)
The grapple looks very well built. 3/8" tines, with jaw tines being 1/2". It appears they have modified their design somewhat from the pictures on the website.
Doesn't have the 1/8 plate underneath the cylinder for protection, instead it has a square tube with a channel welded to the top to shield the cylinder.
Tapped on the 3x3 top tube with a bolt and it sounds solid, defineatly not 1/8", plus the cylinder mount is more of a saddle that straddles the top tube.
It has recessed grease fitting on all of the pivots. Haven't had a chance to hook it up to check the fit of the QA, but I'll do that that this weekend. It got dark on me this evening, so all I had time to do was get it unloaded.
Once I get it hooked up, and try it out, I'll report back, and post some detailed pictures.
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #118  
Congrats! Your gonna LOVE it!
 
   / questions about choice of root grapple #119  
   / questions about choice of root grapple #120  
Well, I got my new grapple today. Ordered the 48" LW grapple from Palletforks.com yesterday, and it was delivered today.
I know there had been some suspect posts in regards to "TitanSkidsteer" in the past, but this was my experience. Spoke with Todd when ordering yesterday, and he answered all of my questions.

Mine arrived on a pallett with a steel "crate" built around it. (1-1/4"angle iron)
The grapple looks very well built. 3/8" tines, with jaw tines being 1/2". It appears they have modified their design somewhat from the pictures on the website.
Doesn't have the 1/8 plate underneath the cylinder for protection, instead it has a square tube with a channel welded to the top to shield the cylinder.
Tapped on the 3x3 top tube with a bolt and it sounds solid, defineatly not 1/8", plus the cylinder mount is more of a saddle that straddles the top tube.
It has recessed grease fitting on all of the pivots. Haven't had a chance to hook it up to check the fit of the QA, but I'll do that that this weekend. It got dark on me this evening, so all I had time to do was get it unloaded.
Once I get it hooked up, and try it out, I'll report back, and post some detailed pictures.
Hey rwork, you're overdue with those pictures.:)
 
 

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