30hp decision, could use some advice

[sacarmic]

So I think it is time to upgrade my old 670. It just doesn't have enough power to really handle my bush hog that well. So I am looking for a newer tractor, probably a used one in the 30hp range. Here is where I'm having a hard time and would be appreciated any input you all might have.

So in this range, I'm looking at the 2720, 3320 and possibly the 3032e or 3038e. The e series has one big advantage, the price. But the 3320 and 20270 seem to be nicer tractors. I'm wondering if the 3320 might have a disadvantage because it is taller so a high center of gravity plus a larger turning radius. But at the same time seems like a heavier duty tractor.

I don't plan on getting a loader because I have one on my 5303. But I may have to because I am seeing very few used ones with a loader. Most of what I will be using with this tractor is a bushhog, yardbox and tiller.

So based on the above, what do you all think? Am I talking myself into the 2720? Should I just go new, because it seems like there isn't much discount on used tractors under 200hr. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott

 

[jeff9366]

If you have a sense that you need additional power, an increase of 50% is the MINIMUM you should consider.

Consider the 'B' series from Kubota. I have a Kubota B3300SU tractor/loader package, 33-hp/25-hp PTO, 1,800 pounds.

Kubota replaced a JD/Yanmar 750 with 20-hp.

You will NOT notice a small power/weight increase. Increase at least 50% or you will still feel underpowered.

 

[BleedGreen]

If you are at all thinking about a 2720 you should get it done soon... The replacement 2032R will have the newer T4 engine and we are being told that the price increase will be substantial as it is over the 25hp threshold for the current tier. The 2520 is going away completely (26.5hp) and the 2320 will become the 2025R with a 24.8hp engine and as such should not see a large price increase for 2013.

While the 3x20 Series are a heavier duty tractor they also have additional electronics that are not found on the 3E Series. Is it a "basic" tractor? Absolutely, but do you need more? For the tasks you outlined I feel that the 3E would be perfect for you - and - you can currently get a new 3032E, 4WD, Hydro with 305 Loader for less than a 2720 tractor without a loader.

 

[sacarmic]

jeff9366, thanks for the suggestion, but I bleed green. Always had JD and don't plan to stop.

Bleedgreen, thanks for the tips that is good to know. GUess I will think about the 2720 new then. Do you know when they switch over to the new models?

 

[DKCDKC]

You only mention bush hogging as a task. I have a 3038e and bush hog regularly - a 5 foot cutter. It handles it beautifully, much better than my old JD 2030 - and much more nimble at getting around fences and such. A friend has the 3032e and also bush hogs with no problems. I find the 3038e a sound, dependable CUT. I sort of wish I had gotten the 3320, but only for the weight. I also use my tractor to box blade (6 foot BB) my mile-long drive, and it just isn't heavy enough to pull a full BB up a hill without slipping. Still, for everything else, it's more than adequate.

I don't necessarily bleed green, but every time I have compared JD to other tractors, the JD has come off with a better deal.

 

[scaredychicken]

jeff9366, thanks for the suggestion, but I bleed green. Always had JD and don't plan to stop.

that's okay Jeff, I'm a bit of an orangebleeder myself, I was going to suggest the B3030 that I am considering.:thumbsup:

:fishing:

 

[jdphan]

And here I thought I was in the John Deere area. I wonder why the orangebleeders often have to leak into the green zone. Is it envy or jealousy?

 

[Ductape]

And here I thought I was in the John Deere area. I wonder why the orangebleeders often have to leak into the green zone. Is it envy or jealousy?

Definitely jealousy......... thats why we cut that hole in the fence and sneak in after dark ! We are hoping some of your snobbiness will rub off on us regular folk............

 

[roush9799]

WHy don't you get a bushhog for your 5303? Just curious.

 

[jenkinsph]

So I think it is time to upgrade my old 670. It just doesn't have enough power to really handle my bush hog that well. So I am looking for a newer tractor, probably a used one in the 30hp range. Here is where I'm having a hard time and would be appreciated any input you all might have.

So in this range, I'm looking at the 2720, 3320 and possibly the 3032e or 3038e. The e series has one big advantage, the price. But the 3320 and 20270 seem to be nicer tractors. I'm wondering if the 3320 might have a disadvantage because it is taller so a high center of gravity plus a larger turning radius. But at the same time seems like a heavier duty tractor.

Looking at the uses you listed, brush cutting, boxblade?, and tilling I would think you can get by without split brakes. If price is important then I would suggest the 3032E or 3038E plenty of power for the jobs you mention. I don't care for small loaders that much either but will say that if you think this might be an add on in the future I would go for the 2720 or 3320 with the split brakes.
I don't plan on getting a loader because I have one on my 5303. But I may have to because I am seeing very few used ones with a loader. Most of what I will be using with this tractor is a bushhog, yardbox and tiller.

So based on the above, what do you all think? Am I talking myself into the 2720? Should I just go new, because it seems like there isn't much discount on used tractors under 200hr. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott

Since you have a larger tractor for the big jobs it would appear to me that the best bang for the buck would be a 3032E without a fel. Add some front weights and if necessary you should be able to get wheel spacers to extend the width if you operate on slopes. It does have an independent pto which you will find a plus for your uses and I would check to see if a hydraulic top link is available for the boxblade work.

If you have the cash to buy the 2720 or 3320 and need to operate in close quarters they can manuever better than the E series tractors and would be my personal choice. I suggest that you buy before the new Tier 4 engine models come in as this will increase the cost and complexity. I have considered buying a new 2720 for my landscaping business but may have to wait for now, not sure if business is enough to justify the increased costs.

 

[tomd999]

Hiya,

My suggestion would be to look to the E series (3032 or 3038) or even the 4005 or 4105 if you have the extra bucks. My logic in this is that your concerned about tractive effort when pulling heavy ground working attachments, the 3000-4000 series have the weight and therefor traction for heavy work.

I would not look to the 2000 series because they simply don't have the chassis weight to put the power to the ground without slipping under load. The 2000 series should be looked at as mainly a really large garden tractor, well suited for loading, tilling and mowing, it really suffers from lack of weight for the HP it has.

Since you already have a larger tractor with a loader, the 3x20 series really would be a poor choice as they offer mainly higher capacity loaders, which you don't need and complex ehydro systems intended for loader work. Unless your looking for a cab, the 3x20 series would not be a great choice as your primary use is PTO HP and 3pt work.

Which ever model you do end up with, I would load the rears, add at least 1 weight to each side and properly ballast the front with suitcase weights for the cutter. That should give you the most bang for the buck and deliver the PTO and ground effort your looking for at a reasonable price.

My two cents,

Tom

 

[tglass]

I have the 3320, cab tractor, and without a doubt, would not look at anything smaller. Handiest thing I've ever owned, and if you want to add an option it's not a problem. with a smaller tractor, it probably will be.

 

[jenkinsph]

Tomd999,
Are you sure you would load the tires on a small tractor that is used primarily for mowing and tilling? I know I would not want the extra compaction that would result and don't think he needs the traction. The larger tractor would be much better for the higher draft loads anyway.

 

[sacarmic]

roush9799, good question. I have a 10ft bushhog for it. I need something smaller to go around trees and get into tight areas. The 5303 is too big of tractor if with a small bush hog to get around those tight places.

jenkinsph excellent point, I didn't realize the E series had a larger turn radius

 

[sacarmic]

So I have found a 06 3320 with 300x and 224 hrs for $15500 and a 08 2720 with 200cx and 62 deck for $16000 with 148 hours. I'm leaning to 3320 because it is a little heavier. Thoughts? Decided again e series because if I put a loader on it, it won't be removable.

Thanks!

Scott

 

[El Wood]

I took delivery of my 3320 a few weeks ago and am loving it. I looked hard at the 2520 before buying. One of the biggest things that pushed me into the 3320 was the scissor style deluxe seat! After going over a few bumps with both tractors I knew my back would be paying for the 2000 series. I jumped over the e series tractors because I wanted to remove the loader and have the option of a back hoe in the future. Plus it seemed like the 3320 had a few more nice features. I couldn't be happier with the 3320. Also, as far as financing goes.... I would go new and take advantage of 0 percent for 5 years. The best rate I could get on a used was 5.4. In the end, I would have been paying more for the used.... And who doesn't want a new tractor! Here is mine... MX5 brush hog is on the way.

 

[scaredychicken]

jdphan and ductape - I like the way orange stands out in the field :wave:- besides, I'm in orange dealership country here, the green dealerships are farther away, but I promise to check out all flags at the Fall Fair. note that I have an LT160 (previously an LT116).

I learn so much on this TBN forum, mostly because I am trying to figure out what all the tractor jargon is - the model numbers need to come colour-coded, that would help but would also limit the fun :tractor:

 

[jenkinsph]

So I have found a 06 3320 with 300x and 224 hrs for $15500 and a 08 2720 with 200cx and 62 deck for $16000 with 148 hours. I'm leaning to 3320 because it is a little heavier. Thoughts? Decided again e series because if I put a loader on it, it won't be removable.

Thanks!

Scott

I would say that you have to make a judgement call as to which will fit best in the spaces you have to work. Most will always suggest the larger tractor thinking it is more capable and while this has its merits a smaller tractor may fit the spaces alot better. Can't help much with the used pricing as I haven't done the research on that.

 

[RoyJackson]

jeff9366, thanks for the suggestion, but I bleed green. Always had JD and don't plan to stop.

Bleedgreen, thanks for the tips that is good to know. GUess I will think about the 2720 new then. Do you know when they switch over to the new models?

You might want to consider a 790 or 3005. Basically the same machine as your 670 (the learning curve would be about 3 seconds...as long as it takes to mount the machine). The PTO HP is 24...about 8 more HP then you have with your 670.

My first was a 670...wish I'd kept it too, sometimes.