Low hour diesel engine failure.

/ Low hour diesel engine failure.
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#61  
Stop by the dealer yesterday, and the tractor is running!

The Tech. was there, and I got to talk to him for awhile. He said the head was pretty warped, and they had to machine it. They also had to grind some of the valves, because they were still leaking.

So, the only thing that I know will warp a head is heat. The idot light has never come on, and it has never acted hot i.e. no steam, water blowing out ect. If the head was so warped why wasn't there coolent leaking in or out of the motor? Never had to add coolent, and it looked nice and green.:mur::anyone:

Still don't understand if all the rings and valves were jacked up, how was that thing running at all??
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #63  
I am afraid so many things have been said over such a long period of time (months) that one will never know any more than you already know at this time.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #65  
It could have been sucking in a little oil also, and over a long period of time, it could have gummed up that cylinder. I agree, sometimes you get it fixed and you don't know what is wrong.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #66  
Stop by the dealer yesterday, and the tractor is running!

The Tech. was there, and I got to talk to him for awhile. He said the head was pretty warped, and they had to machine it. They also had to grind some of the valves, because they were still leaking.

So, the only thing that I know will warp a head is heat. The idot light has never come on, and it has never acted hot i.e. no steam, water blowing out ect. If the head was so warped why wasn't there coolent leaking in or out of the motor? Never had to add coolent, and it looked nice and green.:mur::anyone:

Still don't understand if all the rings and valves were jacked up, how was that thing running at all??

The question we all wanna know.......
Are you paying for it, or is Deere stepping up to the plate?
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure.
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#67  
lilranch2001 said:
The question we all wanna know.......
Are you paying for it, or is Deere stepping up to the plate?

I guess there is a new district deere guy assigned to this area. Both the store manager, and shop manager are going to meet him for the first time this Friday. They're going to talk to him about my tractor when they meet with him.

From their reaction, my expectations are pretty low. From Deere's stand point, they will probably think I'm an idiot and over heated. Even if they picked up the parts, it would only be couple hundred dollars or so.

Will update when I have more info.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #68  
Still, if the hours are so low, what would cause the valves to leak? A warped head shouldn't make valves leak.

Here's hoping all tuns out okay with the warranty. Don't let them push you around. They'd rather not pay out, so it's good to remember that walking into it. Stand your ground on never seeing the over-temp alarm and it never being ow on coolant. If it ran correctly, having coolant is all it should need.

Good luck!
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #69  
I guess there is a new district deere guy assigned to this area. Both the store manager, and shop manager are going to meet him for the first time this Friday. They're going to talk to him about my tractor when they meet with him.

From their reaction, my expectations are pretty low. From Deere's stand point, they will probably think I'm an idiot and over heated. Even if they picked up the parts, it would only be couple hundred dollars or so.

Will update when I have more info.

You may want to make mention to the Deere guy, that (so far) 5000 people (potential customers) are watching this thread.

I am sure mostof us are hoping that Deere makes it right for you
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #70  
I hate that this happened to you...
Hopefully your dealer and Deere will make it right...
Stuff happens...
Usually to me...
Good luck and keep us updated...
I posted this before on another thread but many years ago my grandfather purchased a used farm tractor from the local AC dealership that my dad worked for...
The tractor had several thousand hours on it...
They bought it used at the sale and was told it was a good unit...
Well, the tractor used a lot of oil...
The dealership made good and re-built the engine and that tractor is still running today...
Hope your dealer goes to bat for you...
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure.
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#71  
Been meaning to post an update, but I been really busy lately. I'm doing this on my phone, so I will make it short and post the full story later.

We found what the real problem was, and it had nothing to do with the motor. Basically it looks like all motor damage was done at the dealer. The motor was loaded down, and that is why it wouldn't start. But they jacked with it for so long that screwed the motor up in the process.
Oh, did I mention that they burned the hydraulic pump up too?
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure.
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#72  
Been meaning to post an update, but I been really busy lately. I'm doing this on my phone, so I will make it short and post the full story later.

We found what the real problem was, and it had nothing to do with the motor. Basically it looks like all motor damage was done at the dealer. The motor was loaded down, and that is why it wouldn't start. But they jacked with it for so long that screwed the motor up in the process.
Oh, did I mention that they burned the hydraulic pump up too?

Still haven't got my tractor back, but it is back together and running. Supposedly.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #73  
Been meaning to post an update, but I been really busy lately. I'm doing this on my phone, so I will make it short and post the full story later.

We found what the real problem was, and it had nothing to do with the motor. Basically it looks like all motor damage was done at the dealer. The motor was loaded down, and that is why it wouldn't start. But they jacked with it for so long that screwed the motor up in the process.
Oh, did I mention that they burned the hydraulic pump up too?

Still haven't got my tractor back, but it is back together and running. Supposedly.

Now I am curious, how did you find out?
Did the dealer own up to it or did Deere tell you?
Is the dealer going to make it all right?
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #74  
Been meaning to post an update, but I been really busy lately. I'm doing this on my phone, so I will make it short and post the full story later.

We found what the real problem was, and it had nothing to do with the motor. Basically it looks like all motor damage was done at the dealer. The motor was loaded down, and that is why it wouldn't start. But they jacked with it for so long that screwed the motor up in the process.

Oh, did I mention that they burned the hydraulic pump up too?

Motor and hydraulic pump. Sounds like someone had a starting problem, and decided to help the engine start by using ether. When they used ether in an attempt to start the engine they loaded the intake with ether. The engine fired, over reved, and could not be shut down which caused exterme heat in the cylinders and the over spining of the hydraulic pump which caused excessive pressure build up which in turn destroyed the pump.

This would also explain the head being wrapped and the valves being damaged. If what I described is true and it was my tractor I would be demanding a new engine.

I wonder if this is why the Service Manager suddenly departed.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #75  
Omg!!! I would expect a brand new 1026. Sounds like the dealership just bought themselves a 2305.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #76  
Omg!!! I would expect a brand new 1026. Sounds like the dealership just bought themselves a 2305.

I would settle for nothing less.:)
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #77  
Been meaning to post an update, but I been really busy lately. I'm doing this on my phone, so I will make it short and post the full story later.

We found what the real problem was, and it had nothing to do with the motor. Basically it looks like all motor damage was done at the dealer. The motor was loaded down, and that is why it wouldn't start. But they jacked with it for so long that screwed the motor up in the process.
Oh, did I mention that they burned the hydraulic pump up too?

Still haven't got my tractor back, but it is back together and running. Supposedly.


It is Saturday morning now, how about a full explanation. I think most of us following your thread are just dang curious what the real deal is.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #78  
I would NOT accept your machine back with that engine in it - repaired, running, whatever. A new 1026R will not happen but a brand new engine, complete is what you should get - as well as a PowerGard extended warranty - all at no cost to you.
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure.
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#79  
So, its been so long that I don't know what information I've posted on here. Anyway long story short, the drive line broke and hit the steering valve and the housing started leaking. So I pulled it out to check the housing to see where it was leaking. I found a couple of bolts lose, so I re-torqued them to see if that would fix the problem. Well here's the part where I screwed up, when I put it back in I reversed two of the hoses on the steering valve (Really pissed at myself, but that’s what happens when you’re doing it at 10pm.). There is a flow through circuit through the valve, and the one hose I swapped was the supply. The supply was now dead-headed so it was putting a load on the pump from the start, thus putting too much load on the motor to start up. This was the initial problem, so there was really nothing wrong with anything else. I couldn't get it to start, and not thinking that the hydraulics had anything to do with it I called the dealer to come get it.

So now the dealer has it, and I told them EVERYTHING (Yes including the valve.) that has happened and what I had checked (Mainly electrical.). They told me that they would check everything, which made me kind of mad because I didn't want to pay them to check something that I already checked. So they went to work on it, they had it over a month and a half test the electrical, and then the fuel systems. Also messing with the injector timing a lot. According to the first service manager (The one that was fired.) he told me a couple times that they had it running a little bit, and thought they were getting close to having it running again. The first time I saw it in their shop, they had the cover plate off the injector pump. Oh yeah, the radiator and hydraulic cooler were off the tractor too. So they probably were running it a little with this hardware off the tractor. I have no doubt in my mind that this is where the motor damage happened. I had never over heated the tractor, and now the head is warped.. Rings are all stuck, and the valves are jacked up.

So they get the motor back together and get it running, and at this point they haven't figured out the hoses are on there wrong. So they run it for a while, find that the steering is not working right. So this is when they find they hoses are on there wrong. They fix this and the steering works fine, but now the hydraulic lines are getting hot. So they then find a bunch of brass in the filter screen, which indicates the pump is jacked up. They rebuild the pump, and supposedly everything is working/running fine. I must note, that I am going off what they have told me. So, what happened behind the seen I do not know. Or what lies I have been told. Remember first they said I dump gas in it.

I fully admit the I missed up on those hoses, but they instant on re-checked my electrical testing. Why didn't they re-check my work on the valve? They are "Factory trained" Deere techs., and they charge $95hr for their work. Any damage that happens behind their doors, they should be responsible for correct?
 
/ Low hour diesel engine failure. #80  
You would think if they break it, they fix it on their dime. Based on your story, I would have no confidence in their work. Give a new complete motor or new tractor. What a mess you've been going through and I hope everything works out in the end.
 

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