I believe I made up my mind

[ToolBoxTavern]

I think after all the research I know which tractor I am gonna get....I think! :laughing:

I started with the 4wd 4025, then went to the 3616, next jumped to the 5035, kicked round the 4035, and finally I have come back where I started with the 4wd 4025.

Now I have picked the tractor and just a matter of spec'n it out for me.

I was quoted
$19,990 4wd 4025 tractor with fel
$1,300 for HD 6' Howse shredder
$2,200 for 6' tiller I believe was Howse also
$1,000 for an after market 2 spool remote set up. Probably push it to a 3 spool.
$200 multi seal front tires and fill rears with water.

Total = pocket book hurts!! BUT lookin forward to the fun. I believe there is more than enough room to wheel and deal and this total is a bit much. What you think?

I believe the shredder is probably right on since it is a heavy duty, but the tiller and the multi seal in the tires seem a little high to me. I believe tractor can come down a bit also. So I believe when the trigger is pulled total is comin down or I am getting something else FREE!

O and just for the record shredding and tilling will probably be the activities done the most in the long run. Is that to much shredder or tiller for this unit?

Now I got to thinkin bout the tires and now I'm stumped again. I know the R1 and R4 thing has been asked to it was killed, but I dont know which way to go so I'm gonna put this out there.

I believe with the R4s the unit is 90" wide and with the R1s it is 70" wide. Thats 20" difference between R1s and R4s. Amazing.

So with the R4s I got tire tracks when tilling and of course not with the R1s. Or with the R4s I know where the walking path is. :laughing: Here I am thinking R1s. What would you do here?

Now the traction thing. I know most say R1 AG!! Pulls better when doing ground engaging equipment. Well maybe or maybe not. My land is pretty flat. I live in south central Texas and have a lot of sand. Some call it sugar sand, or blow sand. I have even heard beach sand. Although close, but I disagree with that. Some places you can go down 4-6" and hit clay where other spots it is 36" down to the clay. I would say most of the clay is below 12-16". You can get stuck when it is dry and if it has rained a good bit or a lot it turns into quick sand. When it rains hard for a few days I have walked out in the middle of the field and sunk waist deep. When in a pick up with out 4wd and you get off the beaten path and no experience you are stuck!! Down the road there is land for sale and it is funny to watch people drive in and be pulled out no matter what time of year it is. I am thinking R4 for the bigger foot pattern and floatation here. What ya think?

I have mesquite thorns, very few stumps and cactus. I need to clear some mesquite trees and that makes more thorns. These trees will probably push over pretty easy and the stumps come out easy I hope with it being in the sand. I am thinking R4s again here for the more puncture resistance and running over stuff. Seems R4 is winning.

Now most lowboy trailers rather be goose neck or bumper pull are 82" wide. Not rocket science here that 90" R4s aint fittin. They tell me we can reverse the rim and in set the tires to 82". Now we are rubbin the rails here. Not to crazy bout reversing the rims. I do not have a trailer so I can go with a heavy duty car hauler with drive over fenders and now the pocket book hurts even more. R1s scored a point here.

Now we are all tied up.

I'm getting my specs from the mahindra usa web site on the 4wd 4025 for the industrial R4s and the 2wd 4025 for the ag R1s. Wished I would have measured them myself now.

I would like to hear what you all think.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Couple of things...first congrats on your selection...second, now...I don't think your "heavy duty" 6' shredder is that HD for only $1300...better get a second opinion on that..unless you are dead set on spending a couple thousand on a tiller, you can get a good 2 bottom plow and an a second hand disk for a bunch less...(now, granted this is a personal thing, having been raised plowing/disking etc..) so take a look at a saving a few bucks on the tiller thing and add a few to the brush hog and get a real HD...especially if you want to "destroy" your thorn trees..without destroying your hog...as far as R1 vs R4s...your choice,,,,mine would be R1s, at 8ply rating, especially if you ever thought you might get a flat. Good luck!! BobG in VA

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

Couple of things...first congrats on your selection...second, now...I don't think your "heavy duty" 6' shredder is that HD for only $1300...better get a second opinion on that..unless you are dead set on spending a couple thousand on a tiller, you can get a good 2 bottom plow and an a second hand disk for a bunch less...(now, granted this is a personal thing, having been raised plowing/disking etc..) so take a look at a saving a few bucks on the tiller thing and add a few to the brush hog and get a real HD...especially if you want to "destroy" your thorn trees..without destroying your hog...as far as R1 vs R4s...your choice,,,,mine would be R1s, at 8ply rating, especially if you ever thought you might get a flat. Good luck!! BobG in VA

Thanx for the reply.

I am kinda set on the tiller, but I will kick your idea around and I didnt think bout 8 ply ags. That would stiffen'em up in the front to for loader work.

 

[jobguy]

I have soft land also (Sandy Peat, thick sod, often wet). I have a Minneapolis Moline Jet Star (big, heavy) with partially loaded ag tires and a Bobcat ct120 21 hp/14 pto hp with loaded turf tires. I pull buck-thorn with the loader and use a tiller for gardening on the CT120. I like the flotation I get with the Turf tires in years that are wet. I can only use the MM in dry conditions. One year I had to wait for a freeze to get the MM tractor out of a soft spot. My relatives farm with duel ag tires in soft spring soil for the flotation AND traction, then switch to single ag tires the rest of the time. Maybe high flotation tires till you need traction then add chains??? I agree that getting a higher ply tire will help keep from getting flats. Good luck.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

I have soft land also (Sandy Peat, thick sod, often wet). I have a Minneapolis Moline Jet Star (big, heavy) with partially loaded ag tires and a Bobcat ct120 21 hp/14 pto hp with loaded turf tires. I pull buck-thorn with the loader and use a tiller for gardening on the CT120. I like the flotation I get with the Turf tires in years that are wet. I can only use the MM in dry conditions. One year I had to wait for a freeze to get the MM tractor out of a soft spot. My relatives farm with duel ag tires in soft spring soil for the flotation AND traction, then switch to single ag tires the rest of the time. Maybe high flotation tires till you need traction then add chains??? I agree that getting a higher ply tire will help keep from getting flats. Good luck.

I was beginning to think no one else had opinions round here. :laughing:

I am all into the higher ply tires, but not the chain deal. Options are 6ply ag or 8ply ind. Havent got into what happens to price if I go 8ply ag yet. Just the width of the unit with industials on it is amazing to me. I just think hauling it is the main issue with the industrials, but I will not be doing much of that.

I'm really lost on this tire thing as far as what would be right in my situation.

Hopefully I'll have time this weekend and I am going to go measure for my self outside and inside dimensions on the rear tires. :thumbsup:

Trying to get as many what ifs out of the way before pulling the trigger!!

 

[civesnedfield]

You must have a drop deck trailer. Both of the trailers I have access to are deck over trailers. They are 102" wide. No rubbin the rails on them.

Personally I like the R1's but for my application it works best.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

You must have a drop deck trailer. Both of the trailers I have access to are deck over trailers. They are 102" wide. No rubbin the rails on them.

Personally I like the R1's but for my application it works best.

I do not have a trailer yet, but I want a lowboy not a deck over. With the lowboy I would be able to do much more around our 14acre farm/house and I would feel safer if for some reason wife was towing it because the center of gravity is lower.

Here is a pic of trailer I was considering.

I'll probably hunt for something like this but 10ft or so shorter if I go R4s. This one is 36ft long and I want one 20ft to 24ft, but you get the idea. What would be nice is no rails or no rails past fenders and/or drive over fenders and then its all good with R4s.

I am thinkn 8ply R1s, but not convinced and lookin for more input.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

Here is a pic I found of the 4wd 4025 with out loader and a black grill. Pretty stout lookin.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

Well I went and measured the unit myself between waist n chest high.

R1s
71" outside to outside
43 1/2" inside to inside

R4s
85" out to out
48 1/2: in to in

trailer inside rails 82"

 

[bindian]

R4s can handle more weight. The R1s on my 6520 kinda squash down and have sidewall bulge when the 84 inch wide bucket is full. R1s are taller, which is a plus for my backhoe's subframe. My trailer is 83 inches wide and the rears rub the trailer sides. Right now my fender skins are loose from that rubbing. I want to upgrade to a flat deck dual tandem for that reason and also heavier business needs. R4s are easier on turf. I like the fact R1s have the mechanical advantage when dropped off in holes over R4s. It's that taller height thing again.
hugs, Brandi

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

R4s can handle more weight. The R1s on my 6520 kinda squash down and have sidewall bulge when the 84 inch wide bucket is full. R1s are taller, which is a plus for my backhoe's subframe. My trailer is 83 inches wide and the rears rub the trailer sides. Right now my fender skins are loose from that rubbing. I want to upgrade to a flat deck dual tandem for that reason and also heavier business needs. R4s are easier on turf. I like the fact R1s have the mechanical advantage when dropped off in holes over R4s. It's that taller height thing again.
hugs, Brandi

Thanx for the input.

I dont think I would be using the loader a lot where I would be running long distances with it fully loaded. It would be more for projects I build and to lift them would be one of the heaviest besides the occasional round bale. I really like the look of the R4s, but the fuctional purpose with the R1s I think I would be more happy with when it comes to working dirt and not having tire tracks after the implement (such as a tiller) passes. I guess I could just run the tires in the previous tracks and make the walk way. I mentioned R4s on front and R1s on back and they looked at me like I just fell out of the sky. I tell you it is amazing how wide the unit is with the R4s on it. I was thinking if I fill the tires they wouldnt squash as much since you cannot compress liquid. Hate to hear your fenders are getting loose. Deck over would solve the width problem, but the lowboy I believe I could use more and the lower center of gravity is a big plus in my book.

 

[bindian]

Thanx for the input.

I dont think I would be using the loader a lot where I would be running long distances with it fully loaded. It would be more for projects I build and to lift them would be one of the heaviest besides the occasional round bale. I really like the look of the R4s, but the fuctional purpose with the R1s I think I would be more happy with when it comes to working dirt and not having tire tracks after the implement (such as a tiller) passes. I guess I could just run the tires in the previous tracks and make the walk way. I mentioned R4s on front and R1s on back and they looked at me like I just fell out of the sky. I tell you it is amazing how wide the unit is with the R4s on it. I was thinking if I fill the tires they wouldnt squash as much since you cannot compress liquid. Hate to hear your fenders are getting loose. Deck over would solve the width problem, but the lowboy I believe I could use more and the lower center of gravity is a big plus in my book.

ToolBoxTavern,

I love my R1s. I know they have gotten me out of slimy clay before and I really think R4s would have left me lifting the tractor out with the backhoe and loader. My trailer fenders are still attached. It is the inner skin that is tack welded to the inside lip of the fenders and the trailer frame that is loose on the back end, where the tractor's rears ride.

I want to keep this trailer for farm (has farm tags) use and get a 25 foot dual tandem for commercial work. That way I won't have to put the loader bucket up on the gooseneck. The photo below shows this. My 2002 Ram 2500 with Cummins pulled it okay, but now I have a 2003 one ton dually that makes me legal in the weight area. The 2002 was only rated to pull 9800 pounds. The tractor and trailer weighs 11,700 pounds.

Happy trailer hunting!

Oh yeah.......R4s on front and R1s on back will screw with your traction/slippage .vs gear geometry in 4WD and bind your drivetrain. Which is bad jeu-jeu and tends to void your warranty.
hugs, Brandi

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

ToolBoxTavern,

I love my R1s. I know they have gotten me out of slimy clay before and I really think R4s would have left me lifting the tractor out with the backhoe and loader. My trailer fenders are still attached. It is the inner skin that is tack welded to the inside lip of the fenders and the trailer frame that is loose on the back end, where the tractor's rears ride.

I want to keep this trailer for farm (has farm tags) use and get a 25 foot dual tandem for commercial work. That way I won't have to put the loader bucket up on the gooseneck. The photo below shows this. My 2002 Ram 2500 with Cummins pulled it okay, but now I have a 2003 one ton dually that makes me legal in the weight area. The 2002 was only rated to pull 9800 pounds. The tractor and trailer weighs 11,700 pounds.

Happy trailer hunting!

Oh yeah.......R4s on front and R1s on back will screw with your traction/slippage .vs gear geometry in 4WD and bind your drivetrain. Which is bad jeu-jeu and tends to void your warranty.
hugs, Brandi

This whole R1 or R4 thing is a bit aggravating, but I know I am going R1s. Just makes since and I believe it will suit me better since I'm wanting to set up for a bit of AG work. Large garden type deal. Just trying to set up for when I retire, but that is still 25+ years away, but we are trying to get our toys and retirement gig ready while we can and looking at a produce stand out front to supplement retirement income. Guess I maybe thinking way to far ahead. Still just cant get over the R4 look on the unit, but that aint being smart goin for looks versus functionality so I know what has to be done.

I get the gear ratio and different tire thing, but when looking at the tire sizes on the spec sheet or mahindra web site I think it would work because the R4 front it only 1/2" taller than the R1 front and the R4 rear is actually 4" shorter than the R1. So having the R4 a 1/2" taller seems like it would work better with the R1 since it is 4" taller and less of a difference between the rear and front.

I got a 2000 F250 auto 4door (family of 5 here) with a V10. Prefer diesel since I own and operate big truck and tractor will be diesel, but couldnt pass up deal on pick up. I believe my tow capacity is 13,000lbs, but I will have to look again. I actually plan on this trailer being used for farm a lot. I'm even kicking idea of making a removable livestock cage or everything above the floor like a live stock trailer that can just be removed. I think it will be kewl to have like a all in one trailer. I like that your trailer, tractor, and truck is red, but here I go with the looks again...lol.

I think I might step down to a 5ft shredder thou and stay with the 6ft tiller. I really like the unit having 167 cubic inch and NO turbo. I think it will manage the 6ft shredder, but if I get in tall brush/grass I want to be sure it will not have a problem. Not worried bout tiller since I will do some plowing or middle bustin 1st to take stress off it.

Great talkin with you.

O and I am on a run where I currently drive by the Mahindra assembly/distribution center in Houston everyday and hurts my feeling I dont have time to stop.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Well I went and measured the unit myself between waist n chest high.

R1s
71" outside to outside
43 1/2" inside to inside

R4s
85" out to out
48 1/2: in to in

trailer inside rails 82"

R1 setup offers adjustable width tho. Its a shame the R4s are set too wide. They would probably be best for sugar sand. Turfs or slicks would be even better on that stuf. Can the R4 rims be reversed?
larry

 

[civesnedfield]

I get the gear ratio and different tire thing, but when looking at the tire sizes on the spec sheet or mahindra web site I think it would work because the R4 front it only 1/2" taller than the R1 front and the R4 rear is actually 4" shorter than the R1. So having the R4 a 1/2" taller seems like it would work better with the R1 since it is 4" taller and less of a difference between the rear and front.

It has to do with rolling circunference of the tires and a couple of mathe formulas. If you don't get it right you run the risk of tearing up the drive train. Not very pretty.

 

[bindian]

I'm even kicking idea of making a removable livestock cage or everything above the floor like a live stock trailer that can just be removed. I think it will be kewl to have like a all in one trailer. I like that your trailer, tractor, and truck is red, but here I go with the looks again...lol.


Great talkin with you.

O and I am on a run where I currently drive by the Mahindra assembly/distribution center in Houston everyday and hurts my feeling I dont have time to stop.

ToolBoxTavern,
I have seen removable livestock cages before. Neat units.
My rig is all red because the name of my business is Big RED Beast Excavators.
Great talkin' with you tool.
I am about an hour north of Mahindra's Houston headquarters.
hugs, Brandi

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

R1 setup offers adjustable width tho. Its a shame the R4s are set too wide. They would probably be best for sugar sand. Turfs or slicks would be even better on that stuf. Can the R4 rims be reversed?
larry

Yes, but salesman says it will only make it 82" and shouldnt rub fenders or anything, but would be close. I got a buddy that bought a 4530 almost a year ago and 4wd 4025 is wider than his is with R4s and his does fit on trailer with R4s. I asked him if he had been spinnin tires at his place which is bout 10 miles away and he said yes. His tires are not loaded, but his tractor is heavier. I think the R4s would only be good for the floatation, but if I got 4wd the R1s should be fine. So with that said also I think I am goin for the R1s and load the rears with water and maybe the fronts.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

O and also some of you may know this and I was pretty sure, but I had to check for sure because I didnt see how without changing out axles, shafts or something, but the front end is not extendable on the 4wd drive like on the 2wd (which makes sense) as stated on the Mahindra website.

 

[SPYDERLK]

This whole R1 or R4 thing is a bit aggravating, but I know I am going R1s. Just makes since and I believe it will suit me better since I'm wanting to set up for a bit of AG work.

I get the gear ratio and different tire thing, but when looking at the tire sizes on the spec sheet or mahindra web site I think it would work because the R4 front it only 1/2" taller than the R1 front and the R4 rear is actually 4" shorter than the R1. So having the R4 a 1/2" taller seems like it would work better with the R1 since it is 4" taller and less of a difference between the rear and front.

Do check those numbers. They dont seem right. If the r1s are neutral front lead ratio then the tractor with r4s has a high positive lead. I agree from your spec numbers, that the slightly taller r4 front would pair well with the rear r1 ... but I question the correctness of the r1/r4 front diameters vs the r1/r4 rear diameters.
larry

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

It has to do with rolling circunference of the tires and a couple of mathe formulas. If you don't get it right you run the risk of tearing up the drive train. Not very pretty.

Right, I understand that and I aint gonna mess with it I was just saying from the specs it seemed it would be fine if not better.

As brochure and Mahindrausa.com states
Tire sizes - Font / Rear
R4s - 12 x 16.5 / 16.9 x 24
R1s - 9.5 x 16 / 12.4 x 28