DavesTractor
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Mahindra has heard you and plans to start listing MSRP on the MUSA website soon.
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Mahindra has heard you and plans to start listing MSRP on the MUSA website soon.
kootch88
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DavesTractor said:
Is it my imagination or is mahindra really stepping up their customer experience lately? I've been looking at tractors for two years and reading this site for almost as long and it seems like there is a trend. Or perhaps it is because I was reading more about the orange guys until the Max series was announced.
Better late than never, if they actually do it, long term. As I recall, Mahindra previously listed MSRP prices on their website, but for whatever bone-headed reason, they decided to stop listing them several years ago.
MasseyWV said:
When I purchased my Mahindra back in '06 they were posting list price. Kubota wasn't, so I had to visit a dealer to find out Kubotas' price. I almost didn't consider the Mahindra because it was priced a lot higher on line and I wasn't very familiar with the brand other than some radio ads I had heard. I would of had to get the loader for free and them some. Fortunately I had a close Mahindra dealer when I did a dealer search. I checked them out, liked what I saw and ended up getting a quote about the same price as the Kubota. Kubota was offering 0% interest while Mahindra was 1.9%. So the dealercut the price a little more to cover my interest. I still like to see some pricing on line, but you MUST visit a dealer for final pricing before you can make a decision on any brand you may or may not even have considered!
AchingBack
Elite Member
Dave, something enables the 28XL loader to lift over 350 lbs. more than the 2516. What is that feature, and where is it located on the tractor? The 28XL even has lower pump output. This is confusing.
DavesTractor
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They switched from the ML105 loader to the ML205 about the time they switched the 2516 to a Max 28. Slightly larger rams on the ML205 gives more capacity. It would surprise me if the pumps were different, but I haven't checked that.
Keep in mind that pump volume does not affect strength, just speed. Pressure affects strength.
AchingBack
Elite Member
Would it be possible to install larger rams on my ML106 to increase the lift capacity?
DavesTractor
Elite Member
Back in the day, the 3015 was made and shared the same frame as the 2615, and it came with a ML110 loader. That loader actually fit fine on the 2615 and lifted about 300 lbs more I think. It did have an extra frame brace. It lifted more because the rams were slightly larger.
So yes, a larger ram would work on your loader and it would lift more. But remember when you start engineering your own "improvements" you live with any consequences.
Keep in mind that going from a 2" cylinder to a 2.25" cylinder will make about a 250 lb increase in lift capacity on your loader. And going to a 2.5" cylinder will make probably a 650 lb increase. Since the radius is squared to get the cross sectional area, this is not linear. So don't get carried away or you will break things. And a larger cylinder requires more flow to extend at the same speed, so if you mess with this, a minimal increase gives more lift and adequate speed. A big increase makes the loader too slow and you break things.
AchingBack
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Thanks Dave. When you take the time to answer these questions it is truly appreciated.
bbraud6
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Nice to have a dealer go beyond lurking on the site now and then to reading, participating, and answering questions. Wish more dealers would be willing to exchange info and technical knowledge. My Deere dealer has always been very helpful and i am thankful he is located only 5 miles away as i visit often for fluids filters and accessories.
Don87
Elite Member
Negative..........
You stated two entirely different categories: 'compact' and 'subcompact'.
The Mahindra Max is actually a 'compact tractor', it would be comparable to a 'B' series Kubota, or other similar CUT tractor.
Mahindra is falsely advertising their product.
And in the case of the MAX 22..........it appears to be a 'severely underpowered' CUT at that.
My SUBCUT Massey has more power to the rear PTO than the Mahindra Max 22.............The 1860 Kubota(smallest SUBCUT Kubota makes), has the same PTO HP as the Mahindra Max 22..............at about 8 grand less money.
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AchingBack
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Mahindra Max 22 4WD HST - Mahindra Tractors - Heavy Duty, Value Packed Tractors. Built Tough to Last with a 5 year Warranty
The MAX 22 out lifts the Massey 2400 by over 200 lbs.
The MAX 22 out lifts the Massey 2400 by over 200 lbs.
AchingBack
Elite Member
The Kubota BX1860 in more of a garden tractor compared to the MAX22. However, Tractor.com refers to the Kubota as a compact tractor. And no there is definitely not an $8K difference in pricing.
Tractor.com - 2011 Kubota BX 1860 Tractor Reviews, Prices and Specs
2012 Mahindra Max 22 Review
TimberXX
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I got a price in VA a few days ago.
Max 22 with no accessories for $10,500
I want to know if this is a good deal.
The other dealer near me I refuse to do business with.
Opinions? http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-buying-pricing/220909-new-max-series-4.html
DavesTractor
Elite Member
Some of the comments from Kubota fans are just rediculous. I won't quote any of you directly as I don't intend to get into a back and forth, but come on guys, Kubota can do what they want, so can Mahindra. Until some official group declares just what defines a sub-cut or a cut, I think the nonsense about false advertising is just brand loyalty coming out in an ugly manner.
Mahindra has made a very compact conventional tractor. It clearly does not have lawnmower size tires or does not look like it comes from lawn mower heritage. So is it disqualified some how from this ambiguous SCUT nomenclature? It really is what people are looking for that have an acre to 5 acres. Yes it is a half step up in specs in some areas, and some people that do 90% mowing and very little loader and backhoe work might find the lighter Kubota better suited. But we feel for most applications, this defines what the market wants in a SCUT.
So sure, by Kubota standards Mahindra has muddied the waters between the BX and the B. But there is nothing wrong with that. I understand your points about Mahindra making comparisons agains the BX, when they could choose to compare to the B, but the market this tractor is directed towards is the SCUT market.
And every time this thread comes back to the top, more people learn about Mahindra and want to see about these Max models. So in that way, let's keep up the conversation.
We have never seen such intense interest in a new model.
Mahindra has made a very compact conventional tractor. It clearly does not have lawnmower size tires or does not look like it comes from lawn mower heritage. So is it disqualified some how from this ambiguous SCUT nomenclature? It really is what people are looking for that have an acre to 5 acres. Yes it is a half step up in specs in some areas, and some people that do 90% mowing and very little loader and backhoe work might find the lighter Kubota better suited. But we feel for most applications, this defines what the market wants in a SCUT.
So sure, by Kubota standards Mahindra has muddied the waters between the BX and the B. But there is nothing wrong with that. I understand your points about Mahindra making comparisons agains the BX, when they could choose to compare to the B, but the market this tractor is directed towards is the SCUT market.
And every time this thread comes back to the top, more people learn about Mahindra and want to see about these Max models. So in that way, let's keep up the conversation.
We have never seen such intense interest in a new model.
Don87
Elite Member
As well it should. The Mahindra is falsely advertised as a subcompact.
The Massey GC2400 is correctly advertised as a subcompact.
Maybe ya want to compare an F250 to a Ford Ranger next..........so we can keep things in Mahindra's standards.
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Don87
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So has Kubota, John Deere, Cub/Yanmar, Massey and New Holland. But none of the above stoop to false advertising as Mahindra does.Some of the comments from Kubota fans are just rediculous. I won't quote any of you directly as I don't intend to get into a back and forth, but come on guys, Kubota can do what they want, so can Mahindra. Until some official group declares just what defines a sub-cut or a cut, I think the nonsense about false advertising is just brand loyalty coming out in an ugly manner.
Mahindra has made a very compact conventional tractor. It clearly does not have lawnmower size tires or does not look like it comes from lawn mower heritage. So is it disqualified some how from this ambiguous SCUT nomenclature? It really is what people are looking for that have an acre to 5 acres. Yes it is a half step up in specs in some areas, and some people that do 90% mowing and very little loader and backhoe work might find the lighter Kubota better suited. But we feel for most applications, this defines what the market wants in a SCUT.
So sure, by Kubota standards Mahindra has muddied the waters between the BX and the B. But there is nothing wrong with that. I understand your points about Mahindra making comparisons agains the BX, when they could choose to compare to the B, but the market this tractor is directed towards is the SCUT market.
And every time this thread comes back to the top, more people learn about Mahindra and want to see about these Max models. So in that way, let's keep up the conversation.
We have never seen such intense interest in a new model.
Mahindra does not make a "subcompact tractor".
And you as a 'red carpet dealer' knows this, and probably never should have entered the discussion. You appear to be condoning the actions of Mahindra Corporation to mislead people.
Honest dealers don't mislead buyers.
This was an honest statement though, "Mahindra has made a very compact conventional tractor". But it is not in any way, shape, nor form a 'subcompact'. The Mahindra Max series and the 1816/2216 are compact utility tractors pure and simple.
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DavesTractor
Elite Member
Don87,
I dare say you will get little support from anybody not drinking orange Kool-Aid for calling me dishonest and for asking me to stay out of a discussion.
Stay up on your self-righteous soap box and tell the world that someone is marketing in a manner that hurts your sensitivities.
Meanwhile, we will continue to sell the dickens out of these fine tractors.
Don87
Elite Member
If you'll notice.......mine is red.
That's 2 mistakes you've made in 2 posts..........care to try for a third?
The specifications on the Mahindra "subcompact tractors" clearly show them to be miscategorized purposely to fool the public.
Mahindra does not make a subcompact.
You have the facts in front of you, and as a dealer, should not be pushing them as something they aren't.
This is why you should not have entered the discussion..........you know that they are not subcompacts. To say they are, and you being a dealer with the knowledge to know the difference, makes you dishonest in my book.
As I've told the others, it's like comparing an F250 to a Ford Ranger.........the only similarity is that they are both trucks.
DavesTractor
Elite Member
Well Don, my bad on not catching the fact you have a Massey.
Calling me a liar doesn't fly, and you will not get support for that comment from anyone that knows me. Calling me imperfect, well that's not a problem!
I'm not coming down to your level, to do so would require personal attacks on your integrity, and that is way out of the realm of a well moderated tractor forum such as this.
