Ford 1958 Model 800

/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #1  

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I have a lead on a 1958 Ford Model 800 tractor. It is being offered with tire chains, bucket,plow blade,and forks runs good and all works good for $2500.

Since this would be my first tractor, I am hoping to get some feedback from you all. I am in New Hampshire in a fairly rural area, there are a few tractor repair shops around. I have seven acres in real need of smoothing out and stump removal, as well as some logging and driveway rebuilding.

What do you think? Look for something more recent? Is the 800 a good model (my limited Internet research says it's a decent model).

Thank you for reading. If I have violated a forum rule, please remove my post. Have a good day, I have been lurking for awhile, nice forums!
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #2  
I have a lead on a 1958 Ford Model 800 tractor. It is being offered with tire chains, bucket,plow blade,and forks runs good and all works good for $2500.

Since this would be my first tractor, I am hoping to get some feedback from you all. I am in New Hampshire in a fairly rural area, there are a few tractor repair shops around. I have seven acres in real need of smoothing out and stump removal, as well as some logging and driveway rebuilding.

What do you think? Look for something more recent? Is the 800 a good model (my limited Internet research says it's a decent model).

Thank you for reading. If I have violated a forum rule, please remove my post. Have a good day, I have been lurking for awhile, nice forums!

The Ford hundered series is a very good machine. Currently, I have 3 of them. Maintaining 7 acres with an 800 should be a breeze; we use ours for much more than that.

HOWEVER, there isn't a whole lot you can do with an 800 to remove stumps without really beating up the tractor. You need a full size backhoe or doazer. Mabe you should consider hiring out some of the heavy clearing and dirt moving?
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800
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#3  
Thanks. Yes, I have looked at bringing in a stump grinding firm to get rid of most of the stumps. I do want to get a bunch of fill dumped in to rebuild the driveway, and move some large rocks around to make retaining walls.
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #4  
May I ask what model of 800 you are looking at? For examle, an 840 would be a 4 speed with ground pto. An 850 would be a 5 speed with ground pto. An 860 would be a 5 speed with live pto (two stage clutch). The last one would be my preference for most jobs. However, I do like my 841, which has the aux. sherman transmission, giving it 12 forward and 3 reverse gears. Ground PTO is the bummer on that one.
 
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#5  
It is the 860. I am thinking it may be a bit overkill for what I need!
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #6  
It is the 860. I am thinking it may be a bit overkill for what I need!

I don't think so. 800s are very manuverable and stable. You will likley pay more for a smaller machine that may come up short for a lot of jobs.

Did you say that it has a loader? If so, the loader will significatly decrease the manuverability. I had a loader for one of mine, and I just sold it. They work well, when you need a loader. All other times, the loader is in the way and it makes steering difficult. As soon as we got a bigger 4x4 tractor with a loader, it was obvious that we didn't need the loader for the 800s anymore. We have a loader for our 960. It works great because it can be put on or taken off in about 2 minutes.
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #7  
Always better to have too much tractor for a small job, then too little tractor for a big job. IMHO
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #8  
Sorry, meant to say "than"
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #9  
We owned an 841 with power steering and farmed with it. It was a powerful, very maneuverable tractor especially when using the split brakes; wish we still had it.

Agree on the stumps, we get someone to grind them out or get a dozer if it's a big area; sometimes rent an excavator.
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #10  
I have a lead on a 1958 Ford Model 800 tractor. It is being offered with tire chains, bucket,plow blade,and forks runs good and all works good for $2500.

Since this would be my first tractor, I am hoping to get some feedback from you all. I am in New Hampshire in a fairly rural area, there are a few tractor repair shops around. I have seven acres in real need of smoothing out and stump removal, as well as some logging and driveway rebuilding.

What do you think? Look for something more recent? Is the 800 a good model (my limited Internet research says it's a decent model).

Thank you for reading. If I have violated a forum rule, please remove my post. Have a good day, I have been lurking for awhile, nice forums!

$2500 for a 40-50 hp (engine) with a front end loader (FEL, I assume that's what you mean by "bucket") is a good deal IF and ONLY IF there are no major defects that will cost you big bucks, especially if you can't do the necessary repairs yourself.

Check out that tractor carefully. Start with the rear tires--if those need to be replaced (dry rot, worn tread, cracks, etc), you are facing a major expense north of $1K probably.

Next, check for leaks (water, engine oil, transmission/hydraulic fluid). Old tractors generally have seepage at the seals. If you see a lot of leakage on the ground, you may need to split the tractor to fix the seals--another big job, especially if you've never worked on a tractor and don't have the proper tools including jacks, cranes, etc.

You can tell quite a bit about the engine by starting it cold. If that 860 still has a 6V positive ground electrical system, the engine may crank very slowly. It could be the battery, dirty contacts, weak starter motor.

If it's hard to start, then you may have timing problems, low compression, electrical problems (coil, distributor, resistors, plugs). When I buy old used tractors (I have 5 of them so far. Three of them ran OK when I did my test drive; 2 of them didn't run at all, but really wanted them so I bought them anyway), I take my compression tester with me if I'm looking at a gasser rather than a diesel. It's easy to pull the plugs one at a time and run a quick compression check on all the cylinders by cranking the engine with the distributor disconnected so the plugs won't fire.

If and when you get the engine running, check the color of the smoke when the engine first starts and after a few minutes idle. Most tractors, new and old, puff a little smoke at startup. But there can be problems if the smoke continues after idling. Blue smoke may mean the engine is burning oil (rings, valves, etc). White smoke may indicate a coolant leak into the cylinders (head gasket). Black smoke could indicate that the carburetor needs adjusting or rebuilding.

Drive the tractor. Check out the tranny in all gears forward and reverse. Check out the pto operation. If it's hard to get the pto engaged, that could be a clutch problem which could lead to splitting the tractor to replace the clutch pack.

Check out the hydraulics (3pt hitch, FEL). Look for leaks at the hoses and fittings. If the response seems sluggish, you may have a contaminated hydraulic system that needs the fluid replaced, sticking hydraulic valves, etc.

If the tractor checks out, pay the man and enjoy your new purchase:).

Good luck.
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone!

yes, it does come with a FEL, which more than a few people have told me will hinder its maneuverability, but I NEED the FEL for the stuff I want to do. He says the "tires are not loaded", I assume this means they are wearing down, not great condition. It has a 3 point hitch, as well as weights (just looks like broken up cement blocks on the rear to give it weight).

I am going to look at it this weekend. Thanks everyone for all the insight!
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #12  
What he meant by the tires not being loaded was that they have no fluid in them. You can fill the back tires with fluid (around 80%) to add weight for extra traction. The fluid is usually calcium cloride, beet juice or windshield washer fluid (winter variety).

If that tractor is decent shape I would say that $2500 is a good deal considering the accessories.
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #13  
What he meant by the tires not being loaded was that they have no fluid in them. You can fill the back tires with fluid (around 80%) to add weight for extra traction. The fluid is usually calcium cloride, beet juice or windshield washer fluid (winter variety).

If that tractor is decent shape I would say that $2500 is a good deal considering the accessories.

I agree...2500 is a good deal if it is in decent shape. Also, you will want to get those tires loaded if you have a loader on the tractor (no question about it).
 
/ Ford 1958 Model 800 #14  
If it s in decent shape, I would think 2500$ is a good price. As per previous reply, looks lile the 860 as a live PTO, wich is a good thing, you can get a use snow blower and use it to clear you driveway. I would think that clearing snow in NH with a plownonly can get odd, specially if you have a long driveway.

Loader can be very very usefull, but w/o power steerin it is limiting your loader work possibility. But if you get the tractor and like it, you can add a power steering kit for uner 1k$ i would think ( I havent really look for the kit price for a 860, and i am just assuming it dose. T have power steering)
 

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