New Kubota Factory

[buck12]

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

When I was in school teachers taught math, reading, spelling, etc. My parents instilled a work ethic and determined when I played games and talked on a phone.

 

[Grateful11]

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

Teachers aren't allowed to actually teach like it was 30-40 years ago. Nowadays they have to teach the test, the "No Child Left Behind" program has seen to that. If their students don't pass the test it's all the teachers fault not the parents that could care less what their kids are doing in or out of school, it's always someone else's fault. I've already said too much.

 

[treman]

Teachers aren't allowed to actually teach like it was 30-40 years ago. Nowadays they have to teach the test, the "No Child Left Behind" program has seen to that. If their students don't pass the test it's all the teachers fault not the parents that could care less what their kids are doing in or out of school, it's always someone else's fault. I've already said too much.

Ain't that the truth! I hate to say it but I can see what you all are referring to with younger people. I'm only 28 myself and Have seen old classmates and friends that just want to get paid to buy the next cool gadget but don't want to do anything for it. Myself, I like cutting and bailing hay, always have since I did it at about 12 with my now BIL. along with cutting trees, fixin equipment and anything else to stay busy and keep going and learning. I guess i was raised different than most working at our family business since I could walk. there was always a small branch or something else to move or carry or help with. "go get daddy a 7/8 wrench" or something similar is just not heard anymore it seems. It makes me nervous to think of how I will raise my kids when most of the other young ones they attend school with will be sitting playing video games and eating junk and being straight out lazy.

 

[TripleR]

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

Yeah, the only people who are baling small bales are a few farmers who do small acreage for their own use and there are fewer all the time; round bales are the norm for most.

I am going to have to take up for teachers here a bit if not necessarily the education system.

My daughter is a teacher and her pay is low and insurance doesn't cover very much; retirement is also not very good. I know this may not be true in other places, but here in rural Missouri, teacher really need to be committed.

School may let out at 3:30, but she stays until well after 5:00 and often returns to school for events. She spends her summer vacation on school projects.

Her husband is a business owner who will pay her more to work for him, but she loves teaching; how long that will last I don't know.

She does agree with comments on "teaching for the test" and lack of emphasis on the core subjects.

A minimum of a BA/BS in a specific field of study was required to work in my department. For many years all you had to do to prove your ability was to present your diploma. For the past ten years we had to add a reading comprehension and writing skills component. I administered the tests on applicants living in my catchment area and did the Personnel Investigations. You wouldn't believe, well some of you will, how many people who showed up with a diploma that had a lot of trouble with reading comprehension and couldn't write a comprehensible paragraph when given a set of facts.

I sure don't know the answer, but our educational system is not often providing a quality education.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

School teachers are to teach Reading, writing, math, some geography and maybe some history and a few other learnable subjects. Not Religion, Morality or work ethic. Now brings up the question of who should teach those important aspects of life? Could it be PARENTS with the help of the FAMILY and CHURCH? OK, That's where I cast my vote.
I taught College for 6 years (Night Classes) while working as an Administrator for State Government. I retired a bit over ten years ago from those paying jobs. I taught one (1) semester of High School after retirement. That's all it took was one (1) semester to see that I was not "called" to be a HS Teacher, It's a calling.:thumbsup:
While teaching the College classes I discovered that many of my (older adults) students couldn't do simple math to determine the square feet in a home that they were going to try to sell. I thought I'd just teach them some simple math.................gave that up after a few hours.
GOD BLESS TEACHERS!!! and throwing money at them isn't the answer because then the uncalled/uncaring take the jobs just for the money. Just one mans opinion.
I to don't have "the" answer, just a view of the problem. If I had an answer it would lean strongly toward more parental responsability, I believe, and not on those being paid to provide a service outside of the home.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! JESUS, THE REASON FOR THE SEASON!!!
Isn't this wonderful to have a place to air ones frustrations/opinions and know those that don't want to read them can just pass them by without any cost to them at all??:laughing:

 

[Martian]

Yeah, the only people who are baling small bales are a few farmers who do small acreage for their own use and there are fewer all the time; round bales are the norm for most.

I am going to have to take up for teachers here a bit if not necessarily the education system.

My daughter is a teacher and her pay is low and insurance doesn't cover very much; retirement is also not very good. I know this may not be true in other places, but here in rural Missouri, teacher really need to be committed.

School may let out at 3:30, but she stays until well after 5:00 and often returns to school for events. She spends her summer vacation on school projects.

Her husband is a business owner who will pay her more to work for him, but she loves teaching; how long that will last I don't know.

She does agree with comments on "teaching for the test" and lack of emphasis on the core subjects.

A minimum of a BA/BS in a specific field of study was required to work in my department. For many years all you had to do to prove your ability was to present your diploma. For the past ten years we had to add a reading comprehension and writing skills component. I administered the tests on applicants living in my catchment area and did the Personnel Investigations. You wouldn't believe, well some of you will, how many people who showed up with a diploma that had a lot of trouble with reading comprehension and couldn't write a comprehensible paragraph when given a set of facts.

I sure don't know the answer, but our educational system is not often providing a quality education.

You should tell your daughter to come to Michigan. At the local PUBLIC school teachers average wage is around $65k and some make upwards of $90k - that's a good living if you ask me. Add in there insurance, they have 100% coverage, everything from unlimited Viagra to unlimited massages. And their unlimited insurance is 2x the price of the next competitor because it is owned by the teachers union. They are making millions off of this insurance. They are the most powerful union now as some UAW worker may say I put the front bumper on your car which you don't care about but they say I teach your kids. I have no problem with a teacher but I have a problem with teachers in general. From the way you describe it sounds a lot different in Missouri though.

 

[Hoosier Hay Man]

I was thinking the same thing. That's one of our problems is that we have come to expect to support an expensive lifestyle from routine jobs Of course, being able to "afford" a $125K home has driven up home prices....

While I would love to see a full production factory (from iron ore to the finished product), that just isn't going to happen today, outsourcing is the way 98% of companies survive. However, we can hope that many of the parts will be outsourced to other American production. How much of an "American car" is made from U.S. sourced parts?
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One of the issues today is that the exchange rate between the Dollar and the Yen strongly favors the U.S. It's hard to make a profit importing parts from Japan.

Ken

I agree with Ken that they will source some components from US manufactures. I won't happen overnight but will happen. The cost savings will drive finding domestic suppliers
It has with many of the other transplants so net it will create more than the original 200 at the Georgia assembly plant.

 

[TripleR]

You should tell your daughter to come to Michigan. At the local PUBLIC school teachers average wage is around $65k and some make upwards of $90k - that's a good living if you ask me. Add in there insurance, they have 100% coverage, everything from unlimited Viagra to unlimited massages. And their unlimited insurance is 2x the price of the next competitor because it is owned by the teachers union. They are making millions off of this insurance. They are the most powerful union now as some UAW worker may say I put the front bumper on your car which you don't care about but they say I teach your kids. I have no problem with a teacher but I have a problem with teachers in general. From the way you describe it sounds a lot different in Missouri though.

Good grief, that is a lot different.

She lived in Florida and taught in public and private schools, but even there, while better than Missouri, it wasn't even close to that.

She is under a three year wage freeze and her husband really want her to quit, but she loves teaching.

Right now Missouri government employees are the lowest paid in the nation. I would be embarrassed to say what my salary was when I retired, but I wasn't in it for the money.

 

[lilranch2001]

You should tell your daughter to come to Michigan. At the local PUBLIC school teachers average wage is around $65k and some make upwards of $90k - that's a good living if you ask me. Add in there insurance, they have 100% coverage, everything from unlimited Viagra to unlimited massages. And their unlimited insurance is 2x the price of the next competitor because it is owned by the teachers union. They are making millions off of this insurance. They are the most powerful union now as some UAW worker may say I put the front bumper on your car which you don't care about but they say I teach your kids. I have no problem with a teacher but I have a problem with teachers in general. From the way you describe it sounds a lot different in Missouri though.

That is part of the reason the sooner or later the last person out of Michigan will be responsible for turning out the lights

 

[Martian]

That is part of the reason the sooner or later the last person out of Michigan will be responsible for turning out the lights

Trust me, I won't be the last person out. There needs to be some big changes in this land fast, or Michigan will become even worse.

 

[300UGUY]

Numbers for Michigan teachers according to what I find:

Average beginning salary: 35K

Overall average: 57K

Note: Not a teacher, no relations that are teachers.

Michigan shows up as #7 in teacher salaries.

 

[kinglake]

Unions are the problem. Period.

Please note that there are zero unions in Japan. The reason being is the people take pride in their work both individually and as a whole. They don't need a union to negotiate for often sub-par and overpaid workers.

 

[300UGUY]

Trust me, I won't be the last person out. There needs to be some big changes in this land fast, or Michigan will become even worse.

I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.

 

[300UGUY]

Unions are the problem. Period.

Please note that there are zero unions in Japan. The reason being is the people take pride in their work both individually and as a whole. They don't need a union to negotiate for often sub-par and overpaid workers.

Japan has a higher percentage of unionization than the US. Sorry

 

[Martian]

I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.

Michigan needs to diversify. To what I don't know but the auto industry is obviously not the future.

 

[5030]

I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.

Michigan's problems stem from a not too friendly state government attitude toward business, in other words, a business tax that strangles business plus no worthwhile tax incentives to locate here, all things that the new governor is trying to change.

Japan has a higher percentage of unionization than the US. Sorry

Japanese worker unions differ greatly from unions here, especially in work rules.

Don't forget that Japan has been in financial doldrums for the last 15 years, similar to what we now experience. We all exist on the same globe so what goes around, comes around.....

 

[5030]

Numbers for Michigan teachers according to what I find:

Average beginning salary: 35K

Overall average: 57K

Note: Not a teacher, no relations that are teachers.

Michigan shows up as #7 in teacher salaries.

...and just about dead last in per capita student accomplishment as well as drop out rate.

The MTA and the union contracts limit the control state and local governments have to facilitate or adjust contracts when funding is down, which it is. Things like paid health insurance for life, guaranteed pay increases based on tenure instead of work performance and other perks need to be addressed.

My take is, as a teacher, you choose that profession, no one twisted your arm or coerced you, it was voluntary. When funding is sown, deal with it. At least you are working and doing what you like to do. It's not for me. I have a teaching certification but I can't deal with recalcitrant kids....or posters for that matter......

This all leads back to the 'Kubota Factory' in as much as Kubota feels that they can staff the new factory with labor at a rate not comensurate with a 'living wage'. More power to them. I won't be there applying, but then, I don't have to.

I read a post a few back concerning the 'quality' of the domestic plant versus it's Japan based counterpart.

My comment is this:

Both loaders that came on my tractors (the M9 and the 105) were assembled stateside, from sourced domestic components.

Both loaders suffer from poor paint jobs (I had to go and repaint parts on both). I don't consider paint to be a mechanical issue however...

The welding on both loaders is at best, cobbly, not something that would be acceptable in Japan by a long shot. I'm in the welding business and I would never consider the sloppy welding on the loaders to be commercially acceptable. The welds are structurally strong but appearance wise, are poor and as I stated, the paint is unacceptable. Some places have sags and runs and others were bare.

I commented to my dealer about that and he replied that both were made in Georgia. I can see a 12 buck an hour welder doing that, or a 12 buck an hour painter...... You get what you pay for. Pay low wages you get low quality and low self esteem and of course the lack of craftsmanship and pride in product.

I'll take a Japanese built loader any day over the domestic counterpart.

 

[crazyal]

I thought I heard a rumor, Kubota will be opening up a new factory in Georgia, anyone else hear the rumor?

 

[5030]

I thought I heard a rumor, Kubota will be opening up a new factory in Georgia, anyone else hear the rumor?

DUH...........

 

[bunchgrass]

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

While I agree with your first statement, go try and teach kids whose parents buy them every electronic device, demand they have their cell phones in the classroom, complain that their kids have homework, want to cut teacher pay but spend money on new BB uniforms ...... Topped off by kids who think (because there's no discipline at home) they can tell a teacher to F-off. School districts are political entities who cow-tow to whiney parents. I GUARANTEE most folks who think teaching is gravy wouldn't last a day in today's classroom without doing something that would get them fired.

I speak as a "former" teacher who did try and "make" kids learn I'm talking about experience - I support paying parents for their kids performance in school. Then little Jonny might have a fire under his arse at home.

5030 -
What the governor wants to do in MI is tantamount to converting their state into a Mexico or China. Same with South Carolina. As someone here aready mentioned, we'll lower our standards to get a company to relocate to our state - lower pay, no or low bennies, no or low health care, huge tax breaks ... Across the border they're know as maquiladoras.