OUR SINCERE APOLOGIES

[JoelD]

IslandTractor, MichiganIron, good comments in your posts.

The sun came up this morning and the sky didn't fall.

Maybe it is just me then.

How is it that two of the most well liked and respected and vociferous dealers go away back to back?

Would be great if we knew why.

Just doesn't seem right.

Joel

 

[IslandTractor]

Just doesn't seem right.

I agree. But, sheet happens and without dismissing the event's significance reality demands that we move on.

Long live Wallace Tractor. Regardless of the color of the machines they sell.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Mousefield]

Maybe it is just me then.

How is it that two of the most well liked and respected and vociferous dealers go away back to back?

Would be great if we knew why.

Just doesn't seem right.

Joel

I'm just not trying to make too much out of it. Over the years I have seen the same thing in other businesses. Car and boat dealers closing or changing brands. Perhaps there is something sinister to this but probably just hard business decisions that had to be made. I used to work for a security company and they changed who looked after the monitoring of custome's security systems, this had some people concerned unnecessarily. In Victoria where I used to live the Boston Pizza stopped being a franchise and became independent under a different name, it was just a business decision for the owner. So I'm not overly concerned, can something happen to Kioti, sure but not likely.

 

[JohnfromPA]

As a newbie here who is tractor shopping, I'm going to throw in my 2 cents.

If low sales were the reason, I'd be inclined to think the dealer I went to would have been dropped by Kioti long ago as all of their in-stock machines are all 2007-2008 with one 2009. And we're only talking six tractors total...
I don't think they're setting the world on fire by any stretch...

You can't spend more than a few minutes on this site without coming across someone who bought from Wallace. I've seen numerous car dealerships lose/drop a product line because they were pressured by a manufacturer to be exclusive and only carry said manufacurer's product line. That's what my gut feeling is here. Regardless, it's a most unfortunate turn of events.

 

[BTDT2]

Bottom line for me is that I will not consider a Kioti purchase until this red/white gets sorted out.

I think it's a good tractor, but at the same time I'm no longer considering buying another Fiat pick-up, oops I mean Dodge/Cummings:confused2:

 

[Mousefield]

Bottom line for me is that I will not consider a Kioti purchase until this red/white gets sorted out.

I think it's a good tractor, but at the same time I'm no longer considering buying another Fiat pick-up, oops I mean Dodge/Cummings:confused2:

Kind of funny, in 1980 we bought 10 acres and built a new house. We looked at tractors but felt we did not want to take a chance on Kubota :confused2: as it was not a real well know brand name at the time. I'm sure dealers back then had their issues as well.

 

[jda1961]

this is my take on it, the home office expects dealers to restock thier lots with machines every so often and thats fine as long as they can sell them. but the home office is not in touch with the real world and things are not what they were 3 years ago, so the dealers are forced to either take on more machines on thier lots or else tell the home office to go screw themselves and stop selling thier machines. my local dealer has'nt had a problem yet, he sells mostly smaller 20 to 40 horsepower tractors. he has a dk55 he's had for 2 years, i've got a dk55 i've been trying to sell but the bigger tractors just are'nt selling. it pays not to sell just one brand, my dealer sells kioti and yanmar/cub cadet, and looking tym and others just in case kioti puts demands on his small dealership.

 

[BTDT2]

Maybe the red and white company will come out with a blue tractor also.

I might have to salute when I drive by and see red, white, and blue tractors parked side by side on the same lot:licking::laughing:

 

[JoelD]

I agree. But, sheet happens and without dismissing the event's significance reality demands that we move on.

Long live Wallace Tractor. Regardless of the color of the machines they sell.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

AGREE COMPLETELY

 

[300UGUY]

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

 

[IslandTractor]

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

Well, you've just decided to pour about $6000 down the drain to get a Kubota with the same capabilities. "This kind of dealer turnover" is common in the tractor business. Kubota and JD dealers also drop the line. No question that dealership access is an issue with Kioti but with a dealer like Michigan Iron you would be very well served. Bobcat is not going to disappear and it is pretty unlikely that Kioti does anything but grow given the value they offer in CUTs compared to JD and Kubota. Your decision is kinda like deciding to pay and extra chunk of change for a Toyota rather than a Hyundai. If it makes you feel better do it but don't think you are getting a better value in a car.

 

[JoelD]

Well, you've just decided to pour about $6000 down the drain to get a Kubota with the same capabilities. "This kind of dealer turnover" is common in the tractor business. Kubota and JD dealers also drop the line. No question that dealership access is an issue with Kioti but with a dealer like Michigan Iron you would be very well served. Bobcat is not going to disappear and it is pretty unlikely that Kioti does anything but grow given the value they offer in CUTs compared to JD and Kubota. Your decision is kinda like deciding to pay and extra chunk of change for a Toyota rather than a Hyundai. If it makes you feel better do it but don't think you are getting a better value in a car.

Michigan is a highly regarded dealer, and I agree, I can't see bobcat going anywhere.

You should think twice.

Joel

 

[Mousefield]

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

On our Island we have had 3 different dealers (companies) handle the John Deere brand in about 15 years, including one of them that went bankrupt. People did not stop buying John Deere products. I really think Wallace moving on has created an unreasonable panic. You should look at the value of what you are buying, Kioti goes back about 60 years which is not insignificant. Having several dealers come or go, out of 200-300 per year is very normal in most industries.

 

[dunked1]

Panic is right. This forum helped me confirm the stability and value of the tractor itself, plus the new buyers I saw asking for advice let me know the pack was growing,which is a solid indicator of KIOTI stability. Now we have just seen a prospective buyer say he is buying the other K tractor just because of this panic. Lets get back to BUYING /PRICING! I want to talk about what is working and working right, MY KIOTI!!! OW OW OWWWW!!

 

[manganos]

I wouldn't count out IronMichigan. He seems to run a quality dealership as well. With that being said I'm glad I bought my Mahindra from Wallace instead of a Kioti

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

 

[TBDonnelly]

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

In my vicinity, over the past several years I've witnessed 3 New Holland, 2 John Deere, 1 Kubota and 1 Kioti dealer, all close their doors. :confused2: Another Kioti dealer opened up. That does it! I've decided to not buy any more tractors, period!

I'm investing in a couple draft horses!

Don

 

[VictorW]

Michigan is a highly regarded dealer, and I agree, I can't see bobcat going anywhere.

You should think twice.

Joel

I agree completely. MIE is a good dealer and nice to deal with. I'd give them a chance.

I believe that Kioti is here to stay. They are selling through their own dealers even if the dealers change a bit. It must be the laws of business that some of us aren't aware of without being a dealer. Unfortunately, dealers come and go and I think the tractor business can be tough. Especially in this economy. It's nice to see a familiar face when you need parts or advise but some of us may just need to make a new friend. Second, Bobcat wouldn't have picked up the Kioti line of tractors to sell under their name and keep identical except for the white paint if Kioti was going under. Bobcat has been around for a good while and has a good reputation.

Long live my CK30hst and Kioti. I'll just miss talking to Rick for advise. If I ever need another tractor or a bigger one, it will be this orange; not the other.

 

[dunked1]

Panic is right. This forum helped me confirm the stability and value of the tractor itself, plus the new buyers I saw asking for advice let me know the pack was growing,which is a solid indicator of KIOTI stability. Now we have just seen a prospective buyer say he is buying the other K tractor just because of this panic. Lets get back to BUYING /PRICING! I want to talk about what is working and working right, MY KIOTI!!! OW OW OWWWW!!

I agree completely. MIE is a good dealer and nice to deal with. I'd give them a chance.

I believe that Kioti is here to stay. They are selling through their own dealers even if the dealers change a bit. It must be the laws of business that some of us aren't aware of without being a dealer. Unfortunately, dealers come and go and I think the tractor business can be tough. Especially in this economy. It's nice to see a familiar face when you need parts or advise but some of us may just need to make a new friend. Second, Bobcat wouldn't have picked up the Kioti line of tractors to sell under their name and keep identical except for the white paint if Kioti was going under. Bobcat has been around for a good while and has a good reputation.

Long live my CK30hst and Kioti. I'll just miss talking to Rick for advise. If I ever need another tractor or a bigger one, it will be this orange; not the other.

Here we go, this is the good stuff!!

 

[coobie]

I was looking at a DK40SE HST. Really liked the machine and the value offered. Got qoutes from 2 different dealers, including Michigan Iron. But as I look at the dealer situation, I am going to buy a Kubota. I just don't want to spend that kind of money only to have the dealer drop out or get kicked out. Or the brand disappears entirely. This kind of dealer turnover drops the value of these machines down to that of the chinese tractors.

First I want to say I am not trying to talk you into buying a Kioti tractor.Look at all of the specs including front loader lfting capacities on the Kubotas.I will also tell you I have nothing but GOOD THINGS to say about Michigan Iron & Equipment,They have given me TOP NOTCH service and sales.For example I bought a new befco york rake from them and had a problem with one of the gauge wheels on a fourth of july weekend.Bob(owner) came to my house about a 60 mile drive each way to pickup my rake and fix it.He then drove back with my fixed rake about 2 days later.How is that for service.The choice is yours.coobie

 

[wallace]

Guys I would tell all of you out here that just because we are not carrying the Kioti line of tractors doesn't mean that Kioti is in any type of trouble...The fact of the matter is they made a decision and sometimes you have to play the cards that were dealt to you.
There is a lot of unanswered questions both from you guys out here and also from us.

If you ever talked to me on the phone or even read some of my posts you would have picked up the fact that I was selling you, MYSELF AND OUR DEALERSHIP and you just happend to get a bright orange tractor out of the deal!.
So with that being said we have moved on and I would ask that you guys keep carrying on..
We appreciate all of your support and we will continue to give you all of the support back.
Sometimes you have to just play the cards you are dealt!

Now on the other hand if Amy and I were to get a divorce then you guys should all be worried!:laughing: