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   / Right to Privacy #161  
Such a broad topic, so little space:confused2:

Ultimate freedom/privacy = old west mountain man, alone responsible for himself, guarding self from terrorists (indigenous or other), nature, and benefits/horrors of life close to nature with no medical assistance.

Technology happens, man is gregarious, fear is many-sourced and constant and widely perceived, thus cooperative steps are taken to reduce fears. Privacy is reduced, more people are involved.

A bell-curve distribution of human traits of greed, intelligence, skills, etc. combined with Maslow's hierarchy of needs leads to all aspects of the human experience.

I am blessed with having access to one of the best medical facilities in the USA, Scott and White medical system in Temple, Texas with leading edge medical records. Wife recently had a heart event discovered during regular checkup. Doctors (a team of several) were able to immediately compare in the ER the current EKG to one over 10 years ago, review ENTIRE list of medications and medical history over past 30 years and treat. It doesn't get better. Total privacy would have meant no long term information = less effective treatment/more current expense/lost time.

I know of no 100% reliable identification scheme other than tattoo or microchip. Such is required to reduce the huge number of medical mistakes in USA annually. Not advocating it, simply realizing that short of instant fingerprint/retina recognition I know of no other quick identification scheme. Any separate card/id/thumb drive will too often get lost/abused.

People move around A LOT and the most vulnerable (young, elderly, disabled, incompetent, incoherent, unconscious) are most at risk. Sooner or later, this is us:D "Who are you? " is not always a simple answer.

HIPPA gets in my way more than helps, IMHO, but it's there.

Nefarious people will seek to do wrong by us, to meet their own needs, always have. Hackers, ID theft, fraud, you name it. We try to identify and inhibit such people/activities = we/they lose freedoms/privacy.

My ideas of right/wrong may not be the same as yours.

Your religion may vary. We hope that your universal truth does not tread on my universal truth.

Courts, dictators, administrators, governments, home owner's associations decide things.

Oh, yeah, we have a right to self determination.

In the end, we are responsible for ourselves and our interactions with Man and Nature and ultimately will suffer the consequences of such interactions.

Your opinions may vary.:thumbsup:
 
   / Right to Privacy #162  
How could anyone claim abortion is immoral and be in favor of the death penalty?

How could anyone not be in favor of the dealth penalty and sanction abortion?

In one case a person killed someone.

In the other case the person committed no crime. Committed no harm and yet is killed for just being.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Right to Privacy #163  
In one case a person killed someone.

Later,
Dan

Some feel there is a sanctity to life that precludes applying the death penalty. And others feel justice/revenge/punishment requires the taking of life. No Universal Truth there.
Dave.
 
   / Right to Privacy #165  
In one case a person killed someone.

In the other case the person committed no crime. Committed no harm and yet is killed for just being.

Later,
Dan

Dan,

My point isn't to debate morality with anyone but rather to suggest that there are different notions of morality just as there are different notions of the family, the role of government in our lives and the role of America in the world. But the salient point here has to do with morality IMO.

I understand the view that giving something that isn't earned leads to dependency and can therefore be immoral. But I also understand the view that it is immoral to let an accident of birth limit one's opportunities in life.
 
   / Right to Privacy #166  
I hope that this is not a "political" question, I am posing it as
a question of Constitutionality.
Some have interpreted the Constitution to say that we have a "right to privacy".
If that is in fact the case, what will happen to our "right to privacy" after the government begins to administer our health care?
Will it have to be shared with the IRS?
Congressional Committees?
Will your Doctor have to share "confidential" health info?
I know that there are some physicians and a lot of very intelligent people on this board.
Your Thoughts?

In case any have not noticed, the Constitution is in danger of being tossed out, which is the new Progressive democrats' plan. Subtle, but very definite plan.
Along with it, goes any protection of the "rights" we think we should have. Time for everyone to wake up, IMO.
 
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#167  
Being on the West Coast, you guys have a head start
I'll try and catch up:)

One of my goals in posting my original question was to point
out that there HAS been a steady erosion of rights, especially in the last 90-100 years.
If one were to look at the current tax code, it becomes evident, what started out as a one page document, and evolved into the monster that is now being used to basically control us.
How many hours has each of you spent preparing your taxes this year, how many economic decisions did you make , based on the tax code. I don't think of myself as some kind of anarchist, who feels that we don't need government, but do we need THIS much government.
Now with the new health code, I will bet dollars to donuts that it won't be long before you will see the the same kind of machinations by doctors and other health practitioners that you see today with accountants.
BTW I am personally against the death penalty, not because I haven't seen some absolutely horrendous crimes, but I think I have a consistent position when I don't want the government to have the power of life and death. Again, my personal preference for career criminals etc. would be banishment(which has been held to be legal)
Anyway some more ramblings, Now I NEED some coffee!!!
 
   / Right to Privacy #168  
In case any have not noticed, the Constitution is in danger of being tossed out, which is the new Progressive democrats' plan. Subtle, but very definite plan.
Along with it, goes any protection of the "rights" we think we should have. Time for everyone to wake up, IMO.

I say we repeal any parts of the healthcare legislation that involves death panels and tossing out the constitution.
 
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BTW Now I KNOW we have some smart people on this board when we start throwing around Maslow!
Now if we can only get some of the posters to actually have a hierarchy of need, rather than being trolls:)
 
   / Right to Privacy #170  
I have not seen to many troll issues here in this thread. Like everything else, it is an opinion. YMMV
 
   / Right to Privacy #171  
Oh I dunno Dave --- " An eye for an eye " strikes me as a universal truth :)

LOL Good one Bob. I am sort of in that camp too.

I do cringe when I read that someone spent 10-20 years in prison and then later DNA testing proves they are innocent. Some have come off death row too. For that reason, I don't have total trust in the process of applying the death penalty. If innocent are killed, we have to live with that.
Dave.
 
   / Right to Privacy #172  
LOL Good one Bob. I am sort of in that camp too.

I do cringe when I read that someone spent 10-20 years in prison and then later DNA testing proves they are innocent. Some have come off death row too. For that reason, I don't have total trust in the process of applying the death penalty. If innocent are killed, we have to live with that.
Dave.

I agree with you Dave...I would rather see guilty go free than execute one innocent man..I have no clue where the answer is ..Maybe a devils island somewhere.
 
   / Right to Privacy #173  
Whoever is paying the bills has a right to know exactly what they're paying for. This is what we give up.

Interesting concept, but what happens when the taxpayer's are paying the bill i.e. government health care? At what level are my medical issues private?
 
   / Right to Privacy #174  
Congress. There are 541 total members. ...So I will offer this up....If we could just talk 541 TBN members into putting aside their affairs and going to congress for just 2 years and serving and kicking all of those currently there..OUT ! Would we not be better off ? Think about it...I tell you I am sure we would - so there is my vote in advance.
 
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Okay, now that I,ve had my fourth cup of Java, I,m sufficiently caffeinated:)
I think that most people who are in favor of the health bill are motivated by desire to help people out, those who may be in
financial straits, or have some serious disease that if they lose their insurance won't be covered.
In other words good hearted, kind people with the best of intentions.
The problem is the law of unintended consequences.
The same way ,with all the public housing that was built in this country,was built with the best of intentions, get people out of dilapidated housing stock, give them a clean environment in which to live and raise their children.
Best of intentions,Right? How has THAT turned out?
 
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I agree with you Dave...I would rather see guilty go free than execute one innocent man..I have no clue where the answer is ..Maybe a devils island somewhere.

The English did exactly that: Australia
 
   / Right to Privacy #177  
The English did exactly that: Australia

Not to mention the few who 'opted' to come to the US as indentured servants rather than rot in jail in England. The 1960's equivalent of 'Would you like to join the Army and make your country proud, or go to jail?' :) I bet it helped more than it hurt, but times were different.

We have run out of islands, and besides, there were people living there, lest we forget.
Dave.
 
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Congress. There are 541 total members. ...So I will offer this up....If we could just talk 541 TBN members into putting aside their affairs and going to congress for just 2 years and serving and kicking all of those currently there..OUT ! Would we not be better off ? Think about it...I tell you I am sure we would - so there is my vote in advance.

It IS funny that you mention this
This ACTUALLY was the way our country was envisioned, citizens, taking time out out their lives, serving, and then returning to their "real" lives.
Not to get "political", but I wonder how long the longest sitting senator has been there?
 
   / Right to Privacy #179  
It IS funny that you mention this
This ACTUALLY was the way our country was envisioned, citizens, taking time out out their lives, serving, and then returning to their "real" lives.
Not to get "political", but I wonder how long the longest sitting senator has been there?

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism,
but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans
small doses of Socialism
until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

- Soviet -Russia Leader ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
 
   / Right to Privacy #180  
Oh I dunno Dave --- " An eye for an eye " strikes me as a universal truth :)

As I recall, that kinda got modified by the update to "turn the other cheek" or something.

Chuck
 
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