Kioti under the weather

natem · Feb 14, 2010

Well the good ole ck20 finally let me down on friday. Was cleaning snow of sidewalks with bucket. Ran for an hour, then loaded it on the trailer and drove to the next spot about 3 miles away. I went to start it and it turned right over as normal and a metal on metal clunking noise was heard instantly in the motor, So I turned it off. Started it again few minutes later to make sure I was really hearing what I did not want to hear, and the awful noise was still there. So i dropped it off at the dealer yesterday and cant wait to hear what they find. The motor still runs, it sounds like one of the pistons is coming around on its stroke and hitting some thing. That is all I can describe it as. So I hope they will get into it tomorrow and see whats going on with it. Any Ideas?????? Fingers crossed

JoelD · Feb 14, 2010

Natem I hope it is something other than internal, like injector timing or the like.

But sounds like something bad.

Would've been interesting if you pulled the oil plug and see what you'd see.

Good luck,
Are you under warranty?

Joel

BTI · Feb 15, 2010

Moisture in the fuel can cause really bad noises....

BTI

natem · Feb 15, 2010

Dealer said it was still under warranty. I bought it in september of 2007, I think it had a three year.

slan · Feb 16, 2010

I agree with BTI
I had the same issue with my dozer and I swore I threw a rod!

Diesels make some very BAD noises when they dont get the right fuel at the right time.

You should be fine after a drain and flush

JoelD · Feb 16, 2010

natem said:
Dealer said it was still under warranty. I bought it in september of 2007, I think it had a three year.

That is good to hear, let us know how it goes.

Joel

natem · Feb 18, 2010

Called dealer to find out status, said he started it when I first droped it off and heard noise. Started the next day and did not hear it. Was going to Check it out today.

BTI · Feb 18, 2010

That is the typical thing that happens when there is water in the fuel.

Quite scary....

I think you are fine.

BTI

mx5guy · Feb 18, 2010

This may not be the right place for this question, but I got fuel today toped off my Yellow Fuel container, and as I filled it I had to stop a couple or time to wait for the foam to go down to continue filling the container, being new to diesel is this normal?

Thanks, worried it might be water or some other contaminate or maybe just normal.

Tailrotor · Feb 18, 2010

natem said:
Called dealer to find out status, said he started it when I first droped it off and heard noise. Started the next day and did not hear it. Was going to Check it out today.

Natem

I don't know what fuel you are using but if you are using the ultra low sulfur when it gets cold it starts to gel, and will cause all kinds of problems. If it set outside for a long time and not worked or if the fuel got froze up from the snow this could be your problem. And thats why now its not doing it in the dealers heated garage. Just a thought.

wallace · Feb 18, 2010

mx5guy said:
This may not be the right place for this question, but I got fuel today toped off my Yellow Fuel container, and as I filled it I had to stop a couple or time to wait for the foam to go down to continue filling the container, being new to diesel is this normal? Thanks, worried it might be water or some other contaminate or maybe just normal.

As the fuel comes to the top (full mark) it will be foamy..It is normal.

Mousefield · Feb 18, 2010

mx5guy, it normally foams when I pump it. Use diesel in my VW jetta and the same for the 5 gal diesel container that I use for my CK35.

mx5guy · Feb 19, 2010

Thanks Wallace / Mousefield, Never owned a diesel before, so experience was a little strange, foaming fuel that is, I also had the choice of ultra low sulfur regular or Ultra of same ( high test ), at a local Shell dealer, is ultra diesel a better choice.

As for my Miata with a supercharges the other toy

, I need the High octane to reduce or eliminate Ping, it too is a convertable like my Kioti.LOL

VictorW · Feb 19, 2010

I would think the regular is fine. I use a fuel additive to keep the fuel from gelling and it lowers the cetane also. So maybe it's close to the ultra. Kind of get two for one deal with the additive.

manganos · Feb 19, 2010

I always condition my fuel using PowerService in the white bottle

Works great for me.

natem · Feb 20, 2010

I always use powerservice even in the summer. Although it did sit out side for a couple weeks with a quarter tank in it. There was some good fluctuation in the temps in that time, so there may be moister in the fuel.
Did call to check with them today and they said that there was a problem with an injector. Mechanic was not around to get more details, but they said it would be ready middle of the week. Waiting to get full story next week before I get too disappointed with my beloved kioti and company, only 286 hrs. and problems like this already?????

JonKioti · Feb 20, 2010

I know it's a little hard to take, but to me it doesn't sound too serious. If you have 286 hours without any issues, then I'd say you have a very good machine. It will build your confidence again, I'm sure.

This reminds me a bit of people saying they feel Toyota has lost their reputation as a safety conscientious company. If that was the case, why did they bother with a recall?

I believe the CK-20 has a four year warranty, doesn't it?

Good luck.

Jon

Coyote machine · Feb 20, 2010

Not to worry- that is WHY you have a warranty in the first place; to take care of issues that come up. Injectors fail- assuming that is what it turns out to be, on all makes/models of tractors/trucks/cars, etc.
Microscopic sized dirt particles can kill an injector, as can other things- and sometimes they just fail for no apparent reason.

BTW, I'm coming down to your town (my seasonal town) relatively soon and would like to meet up with you at some point to compare tractor notes, etc. If that is of interest let me know by PM.
Also, I may have some work for your tractor at my place, since I can't trailer and don't want to trailer mine down from VT. Does yours have a BH on it? I can't remember if it does or not?

Gittyup · Feb 20, 2010

Check old posts. There have been quite a few injector failures on CK25s and CK30s. Mine failed at about 300 hours. Luckily under warranty. I'm told it's like a $1500 repair. I just hope the replacement doesn't crap out so fast.