B3030 Power Steering Problem? or not?

[WaxMan]

Just tried out my new steering wheel spinner tonight in the snow. I was really impressed of how easy it made steering with one hand on the fel control the other on the power knob. I even called my son our "you have to try this" after trying he agreed.
Then I discovered a problem the knob once installed at the 10 o'clock position with the wheels straight was now at 6 o'clock, then 4 the 8 .
If I kept turning once the wheels stopped i can still turn the steering wheel more and change the clock position back to 10 o'clock.
Once back in the garage I looked up the steering in the shop manual , it says that there is no mechanical connection like a rack in pinion all done by hydraulics. The manual says when the motor is off it locks so you can have manual steering. I can't turn my wheels with the tractor off, the steering wheel will keep turning hard but will skip and make hissing sound and the front wheels try and turn but the steering wheel keep turning not easy but turns.
Is this normal with this type of power steering or do I have a problem.
The manual says to check for low fluid or air in system, I have plenty if fluid.
Does anyone know anything about this?
Thank you for any help.

 

[kennyd]

Everything is fine, it's just the way hydrostatic steering works

 

[WaxMan]

Thanks for the quick reply, so when it's not running you can't turn the wheels?
I never notice any problem until the spinner made a reference point.

 

[ACHINBAC]

Wax,

Was as shocked/dismayed as you til I read posts regarding. It is true there is no cure - as you know I would have found it by now. It is how our hydraulic steering works. I reach for the knob where ever it is now when I need it & no longer give it a second thought.

Dave

 

[WaxMan]

Wax,

Was as shocked/dismayed as you til I read posts regarding. It is true there is no cure - as you know I would have found it by now. It is how our hydraulic steering works. I reach for the knob where ever it is now when I need it & no longer give it a second thought.

Dave

Well i guess that's good news , thought I'd need a steering controller Price $868.00
Dave the knob is fantastic so much easer, a joy to use , thanks for letting me know about them. If you didn't I would still not know what I was missing. There is another thread somewhere about steering wheel spinners and half the people don't want one , I wonder if they ever tried one.
Thanks again

 

[number two]

Didn't I read on here somewhere that somebody had three spinner knobs on their wheel for this very reason?

 

[bandit67]

I can turn the wheels when the engine is off - have done it a lot when working on the tractor in the garage, installing front chains, adjusting the chains, etc. There is a muffled clicking sound and feel to the steering wheel when turning the wheels with the engine off.

But it is true that the hydraulics allow the steering wheel position to change over time. Glad I didn't get one of those knobs - I've thought about it, but since the power steering is so easy, I've never really been too inclined to add the knob. Now I definitely won't add the knob.

I have used a steering wheel knob in the past on a forklift. The knobs do make it easier to use, but if I jumped on and started going with my hand on the wheel instead of the knob, I ended up whacking my forearm with the knob when it came around, and would then end up with a nice bruise for a few days. Did that at least once a month.

 

[LBrown59]

I can turn the wheels when the engine is off - have done it a lot when working on the tractor in the garage, installing front chains, adjusting the chains, etc. There is a muffled clicking sound and feel to the steering wheel when turning the wheels with the engine off.

But it is true that the hydraulics allow the steering wheel position to change over time. Glad I didn't get one of those knobs - I've thought about it, but since the power steering is so easy, I've never really been too inclined to add the knob. Now I definitely won't add the knob.

I have used a steering wheel knob in the past on a forklift. The knobs do make it easier to use, but if I jumped on and started going with my hand on the wheel instead of the knob, I ended up whacking my forearm with the knob when it came around, and would then end up with a nice bruise for a few days. Did that at least once a month.

Yep with PS there hain't no reason for a knob.

 

[gotcha]

When using the B26 I just palm the wheel with or without gloves on and I have complete control and only need one hand.
The Gotcha Man

 

[jimmer2880]

Yep with PS there hain't no reason for a knob.

I have to disagree. Been using a knob on tractors & boats for many years. Even with PS, I find it's invaluable and makes driving much easier.

For me, I won't have a tractor or boat without one, regardless of PS.

 

[WaxMan]

Yep with PS there hain't no reason for a knob.

Ok but you don't know what your missing,


I wouldn't want the knob for manual steering, pushing and pulling on the knob to steer no thanks i had one on my Honda lawn tractor mower. There is no effort at all with this Edison Power Knob and power steering, none, zip nothing.
I know this knob was very expensive but the ball bearing inner and outer race just like a spindle on a car has a really really good feel to it used with power steering, I can't really explain it, maybe someone else can help me out and explain it better.
A twelve dollar cheap plastic spinner on a dry stud will not have the same effect. I's hard to explain other then "effortless" feel and "total" control.

I have 30 days to send this spinner back and get my money back, believe me if I don't like something it goes back.
After using it for one hour I would never give it up, I have 213 hrs with power steering without using one. I have one hour using the knob with power steering and there is a huge difference.

No hard feeling if you guys don't want one it's ok with me.
I don't make them or sell them.
But you don't really know if you never tried it on your tractor.

Bandit67 ,
When your putting your chains on do you have the wheels off the ground? My wheels will turn if the weight of the tractor is off of them. They just start to move a little with the tractor weight on the wheels.

 

[ACHINBAC]

Wax,

There is no way all the bluster and posturing I've read regarding the response to some upgrades can be explained. We can only be confident that it will always be lurking though.

I am always leery of recommending specific products to friends but did this one for the reasons you now understand Wax. Best of the best.

Dave

PS: Like the neck chain & charm I wear (sposed to keep me from drowning) unique & personal.

 

[WaxMan]

Wax,

There is no way all the bluster and posturing I've read regarding the response to some upgrades can be explained. We can only be confident that it will always be lurking though.

I am always leery of recommending specific products to friends but did this one for the reasons you now understand Wax. Best of the best.

Dave

PS: Like the neck chain & charm I wear (sposed to keep me from drowning) unique & personal.

Hey Dave
I have a charm like that I keep it next to the pool to keep me from drowning.
Before customizing my tractor I customized my pool.

 

[lawn_king]

I wouldn't my tractor without a spinner!

 

[ACHINBAC]

Hey Roger,

It looks like she's TRYING to drown you. Adjust one of those streams to hit the little boy's head - that would raise a few eyebrows . .

Nice stone work and plantings. The walk way came out excellent. Next to customising the BX I'd say landscaping comes in a close second for me too. Years ago when we built the house I had grand plans for the grounds. One thing led to another and a lot of those plans were put on hold. Getting the tractor last year was a big motivator for me & I started back in on the stone walls. Most should be finished next year. Will send some pics in the spring when things thaw out.

 

[PappyW]

Waxman I have a B3030 but my dash does not have the extra guages is that an option

 

[bandit67]

Bandit67 ,
When your putting your chains on do you have the wheels off the ground? My wheels will turn if the weight of the tractor is off of them. They just start to move a little with the tractor weight on the wheels.

Yes, wheels are off the ground when installing, but on the ground for minor chain adjustments. I just went out and tried it, and I was able to turn the wheels lock-to-lock. Tractor has been sitting for a couple of days, and the FEL bucket & the rear blade are resting on the concrete floor.

Maybe it's my altitude. Or the extra weight of all that glass in your cab.

Keep us posted on the spinner knob. Does that one mount via a bolt drilled through the wheel - it looked like a real clean install - didn't see a mounting strap. I kind of like that one. I really like the spinner knobs, until I jamb it into myself.

 

[gerard]

Yep with PS there hain't no reason for a knob.

Disagree. I have power steering and just find one handed steering with the knob a lot easier. To each his own but I'll keep mine thanx

 

[WaxMan]

Waxman I have a B3030 but my dash does not have the extra guages is that an option

PappyW I made the gauge panel, it's not an option, I didn't like just the plain panel.
I got some ABS 3/4 inch plastic board. painted it black and used a heat gun to duplicate the factory finish.

 

[pdowling1]

Looks like it's time for some fuel!!!