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PJ 22' 14k partial tilt

DSC01101 by richardktm300, on Flickr

I'd kill to be able to use a 14k... I don't think my driving habits are ready for a CDL that's required here in California for one

 

[bkrgi]

Yes, looks like the split is right where the front ratchet strap hits the trailer, see the seam in the steel there?

Aaron Z

You got it. Front 6' stays flat allowing you to place a implement or ?? and not affect the tilt for loading purposes. A must have IMO.

 

[FatTire]

You got it. Front 6' stays flat allowing you to place a implement or ?? and not affect the tilt for loading purposes. A must have IMO.

We have a 22+4 flatbed tilt. Having 6 ft flat would be great. With 4 ft I can put an SSQA auger crosswise, or a bucket, but for some implements you need the 6ft.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'd kill to be able to use a 14k... I don't think my driving habits are ready for a CDL that's required here in California for one

My PJ with tip up ramps is a 12k derated to 9980 for California... made of 6" channel.

It was part of a package deal and I have become accustomed to having it around... tows like a dream behind the super-duty...

Don't know if PJ would derate a 14k to 9999 but one could ask?

 

[zing]

Don't know if PJ would derate a 14k to 9999 but one could ask?

What do you mean by " if PJ would derate"? Do you actually have to physically do something to the trailer, or get the manufacturer to acknowledge or do something for them to accept the 10K designation?

Around here there is a similar weight designation, but it is strictly your choice, you don't have to do anything to the trailer.

I.E.
- For a trailer registered as <=4500 KG (9900 lbs) you have to register it bi-yearly and the price is cheaper, with no special drivers license additions.
- For a trailer >4500 KG the registration is yearly and more expensive plus you need to take a test and get a comment on your driver's license to show you can handle a heavier trailer.

Due to the extra rules/cost lots of people register 14K+ trailers as >9900. There are no actual requirements to derate it though, you just tell them to do that at the license office when you register it. The only issue is making sure you don't get caught at a scale with too much weight on for your registration.

 

[aczlan]

What do you mean by " if PJ would derate"? Do you actually have to physically do something to the trailer, or get the manufacturer to acknowledge or do something for them to accept the 10K designation?

Around here there is a similar weight designation, but it is strictly your choice, you don't have to do anything to the trailer.

I.E.
- For a trailer registered as <=4500 KG (9900 lbs) you have to register it bi-yearly and the price is cheaper, with no special drivers license additions.
- For a trailer >4500 KG the registration is yearly and more expensive plus you need to take a test and get a comment on your driver's license to show you can handle a heavier trailer.

Due to the extra rules/cost lots of people register 14K+ trailers as >9900. There are no actual requirements to derate it though, you just tell them to do that at the license office when you register it. The only issue is making sure you don't get caught at a scale with too much weight on for your registration.

IIRC, California won't let you register a trailer for less than the GVWR on the data plate.

Aaron Z

 

[3930dave]

As much as I like somewhat overbuilt trailers, the problem you get into in highly regulated jurisdictions is the derating just eats into cargo capacity (meaning vs. a lighter framed but still adequate trailer).

Depending where you are geographically, you can also end up with headaches re. gross combined weight.... I remember discussing this years ago, with a good friend of mind.... we had a good laugh, because the regs at the time made it look like you'd be better off hauling a heavy trailer behind a Toyota Tercel than an appropriate truck.

Having to deal with enough of these regs...... horses and a Conestoga wagon starts to look good, if for nothing else than to see transport inspectors scratching their heads....

Rgds, D.

 

[ultrarunner]

What do you mean by " if PJ would derate"? Do you actually have to physically do something to the trailer, or get the manufacturer to acknowledge or do something for them to accept the 10K designation?

Around here there is a similar weight designation, but it is strictly your choice, you don't have to do anything to the trailer.

I.E.
- For a trailer registered as <=4500 KG (9900 lbs) you have to register it bi-yearly and the price is cheaper, with no special drivers license additions.
- For a trailer >4500 KG the registration is yearly and more expensive plus you need to take a test and get a comment on your driver's license to show you can handle a heavier trailer.

Due to the extra rules/cost lots of people register 14K+ trailers as >9900. There are no actual requirements to derate it though, you just tell them to do that at the license office when you register it. The only issue is making sure you don't get caught at a scale with too much weight on for your registration.

I'm in California... the manufacturer's rating determines class of trailer and with a limited RV exception... utility type trailers require a commercial license over 10,000 pounds.

This is why my 12k PJ was de-rated by PJ to come under the California Commercial Driver License requirement.

Initial registration often will require a weigh masters certificate to establish unladen weight should there be any question.

The 10k rule also affects Pick Up trucks... lots of Super Duty Ford Diesels F250 and F350 manufacturer plated just under 10,000 lbs...

When my brother ordered his new 2016 Super Duty he selected this factory option.

 

[downsizingnow48]

At the big Load Trail dealer where I got my dump trailer, most of the 14k trailers on the lot had data plates showing 9990 lbs.

 

[ultrarunner]

At the big Load Trail dealer where I got my dump trailer, most of the 14k trailers on the lot had data plates showing 9990 lbs.

Seems to be common in California... just was not sure if they still offered this with the 7k axles.

That said... I do know a contractor that has been running a 20k trailer with heavy loads for years and no one in the firm has a commercial license... the trailer isn't huge but he wanted something to haul the excavator and skid steer and several of his lift trucks at a time.

What I noticed was the tires and rims... asked him about it and he said it his stealth trailer that he had built...

 

[plowhog]

This is why my 12k PJ was de-rated by PJ to come under the California Commercial Driver License requirement.

I did the same de-rating on the VIN for my Big Tex equipment trailer.

Recently I got the CA DMV registration renewal for my small dump trailer. It offered me two choices:

1. Do a non-operational registration (not licensed for street use) at a cost of $20 per year.
2. Do a "PTI" (permanent street registration), good for 5 years, at a total all-in cost of $10.

Yes, it would be $100 to make it non-operational on the street for 5 years, or just $10 for on-street registration for the same period. Love bureaucracy.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

PJ 22' 14k partial tilt

DSC01101 by richardktm300, on Flickr

You are going to love that 22' with the tilting feature based on the old 2008 we picked upped this summer. Our front fixed 4' section is steel however and will mess up the paint on the bottom of the bucket so I may get a mat for it. The steel is nice as it works out well for a welding table. We got a ball for the tractor hitches so we can use it as a place to change oil, rotate tires or just to have a flat working service. I have used it a lot in redoing the 1948 B Allis Chalmers that we hope to have ready to drive in a local Veterans Day Parade.

I guess I will paint the steel section but I do not paint the wood for safety reasons. Painted wood seems to be as slick as steel beds when wet.

 

[3930dave]

What I noticed was the tires and rims... asked him about it and he said it his stealth trailer that he had built...

With the regs in place, he's just playing the odds..... sometimes it's easier to hide in plain sight in a densely populated region like yours though....

Any seasoned DOT inspector could tell by glancing at the loads he's hauling.... pretty hard to beat the scales at that point....

Rgds, D.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yep... I never sees scales except on the freeways coming and going into the SF Bay Area...

I would venture all of his work is inside the DOT ring of weigh stations surrounding the SF Bay Area...

The trailer isn't large just set up for 20k...

Just my luck... if I were to go out of the area and were dealing with the Highway Patrol it wound happen the first time out...

The density is increasing and traffic here can be quite a problem... 90 minutes to drive 27 miles at 10:30 Wednesday morning... no accidents or construction… just heavy traffic.

 

[ultrarunner]

I did the same de-rating on the VIN for my Big Tex equipment trailer.

Recently I got the CA DMV registration renewal for my small dump trailer. It offered me two choices:

1. Do a non-operational registration (not licensed for street use) at a cost of $20 per year.
2. Do a "PTI" (permanent street registration), good for 5 years, at a total all-in cost of $10.

Yes, it would be $100 to make it non-operational on the street for 5 years, or just $10 for on-street registration for the same period. Love bureaucracy.

Do you plan to change it all to Nevada?

Don't know the particulars but in Carson City some of the horse people I know had problems due to the loads they were trailering through the state...

I guess it really is a patchwork once you go out of State.

I was pulled over with Dealer tags in Grass Valley... we had a customer that moved there and wanted to buy a used pick up... I said I would drive it to Tahoe and stop by to see if it was what he was looking for and he had a trade...

The California Highway Patrol stopped me and was going to cite me for personal use of vehicle with Dealer tags...

I explained I was showing the vehicle... he said is that my story and was I sticking to it... I said yes sir because it was true... he did all the usual things that took about 25 minutes and let me go... saying I have been warned and he would not let me go next time?

Again... I was in clear and could prove it... kind of being guilty and having to prove innocence...

Heck, he could have followed me to Greenhorn Road and asked the customer...

 

[plowhog]

Do you plan to change it all to Nevada?

I've migrated the trucks and our passenger vehicles to Nevada. My trailers are still mostly CA. CHP doesn't seem to care with our mismatched vehicle/trailer plates, but our plates are blocked so that might help. Nevada DMV requires the vehicle come in for a VIN inspection to register it-- not easy to do with trailers in regular use working at the CA property.

I've found the costs for registration about the same in both states-- a few a little higher, a few a little lower.

 

[some zilch]

Sounds like you know how to own a 6.0.

My favorite diesel out there, and the best sounding at that!!

said no one ever

 

[Snobdds]

said no one ever

I like guys like you. You keep them cheap. Preach on man...

The 6.0 is a fine diesel, you just have to know how they work. Not to mention they come behind a stout transmission and a chassis that doesn't blow ball joints or front end components every 30K miles.

 

[dieselcrawler]

I like guys like you. You keep them cheap. Preach on man...

The 6.0 is a fine diesel, you just have to know how they work. Not to mention they come behind a stout transmission and a chassis that doesn't blow ball joints or front end components every 30K miles.

Agreed. The Superduty platform is stout, and once the EPA crap is delt with, the 6.0 is as reliable as my trusty old 7.3's.

 

[Garandman]

Anyone using a large Mercedes SUV to tow? The large ones are unibody but have a 7500 lb rating. Our heaviest trailer is 6,000.

We are kind of done with our Tahoe.