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I'd kill to be able to use a 14k... I don't think my driving habits are ready for a CDL that's required here in California for one
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bkrgi
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You got it. Front 6' stays flat allowing you to place a implement or ?? and not affect the tilt for loading purposes. A must have IMO.
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We have a 22+4 flatbed tilt. Having 6 ft flat would be great. With 4 ft I can put an SSQA auger crosswise, or a bucket, but for some implements you need the 6ft.
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I'd kill to be able to use a 14k... I don't think my driving habits are ready for a CDL that's required here in California for one
My PJ with tip up ramps is a 12k derated to 9980 for California... made of 6" channel.
It was part of a package deal and I have become accustomed to having it around... tows like a dream behind the super-duty...
Don't know if PJ would derate a 14k to 9999 but one could ask?
zing
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What do you mean by " if PJ would derate"? Do you actually have to physically do something to the trailer, or get the manufacturer to acknowledge or do something for them to accept the 10K designation?
Around here there is a similar weight designation, but it is strictly your choice, you don't have to do anything to the trailer.
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- For a trailer registered as <=4500 KG (9900 lbs) you have to register it bi-yearly and the price is cheaper, with no special drivers license additions.
- For a trailer >4500 KG the registration is yearly and more expensive plus you need to take a test and get a comment on your driver's license to show you can handle a heavier trailer.
Due to the extra rules/cost lots of people register 14K+ trailers as >9900. There are no actual requirements to derate it though, you just tell them to do that at the license office when you register it. The only issue is making sure you don't get caught at a scale with too much weight on for your registration.
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IIRC, California won't let you register a trailer for less than the GVWR on the data plate.
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As much as I like somewhat overbuilt trailers, the problem you get into in highly regulated jurisdictions is the derating just eats into cargo capacity (meaning vs. a lighter framed but still adequate trailer).
Depending where you are geographically, you can also end up with headaches re. gross combined weight.... I remember discussing this years ago, with a good friend of mind.... we had a good laugh, because the regs at the time made it look like you'd be better off hauling a heavy trailer behind a Toyota Tercel than an appropriate truck.
Having to deal with enough of these regs...... horses and a Conestoga wagon starts to look good, if for nothing else than to see transport inspectors scratching their heads....
Rgds, D.
Depending where you are geographically, you can also end up with headaches re. gross combined weight.... I remember discussing this years ago, with a good friend of mind.... we had a good laugh, because the regs at the time made it look like you'd be better off hauling a heavy trailer behind a Toyota Tercel than an appropriate truck.
Having to deal with enough of these regs...... horses and a Conestoga wagon starts to look good, if for nothing else than to see transport inspectors scratching their heads....
Rgds, D.
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I'm in California... the manufacturer's rating determines class of trailer and with a limited RV exception... utility type trailers require a commercial license over 10,000 pounds.
This is why my 12k PJ was de-rated by PJ to come under the California Commercial Driver License requirement.
Initial registration often will require a weigh masters certificate to establish unladen weight should there be any question.
The 10k rule also affects Pick Up trucks... lots of Super Duty Ford Diesels F250 and F350 manufacturer plated just under 10,000 lbs...
When my brother ordered his new 2016 Super Duty he selected this factory option.
downsizingnow48
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At the big Load Trail dealer where I got my dump trailer, most of the 14k trailers on the lot had data plates showing 9990 lbs.
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Seems to be common in California... just was not sure if they still offered this with the 7k axles.
That said... I do know a contractor that has been running a 20k trailer with heavy loads for years and no one in the firm has a commercial license... the trailer isn't huge but he wanted something to haul the excavator and skid steer and several of his lift trucks at a time.
What I noticed was the tires and rims... asked him about it and he said it his stealth trailer that he had built...