yammar tractors???????

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internationlman

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international 300/utilty and a International 2400a
are all yammars used imported or are there actully new dealers.Reason I'm asking is because I saw an add for a 1999 34hp 4 wheel drive yammar w/5' snow blower @ power angle rotory broom w/ only 50 hours on it. For $8000 this sounds wrong. Also how much would a loader cost for this size tractor .
 
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Yanmar tractors are not sold new in the US.
I seldom post anywhere anymore, mostly due to lack of time. This subject is of special interest to me. My name is Wayne, and I have been in this business longer than most of you have been aware of Yanmar's existence. I own Little Miami Trading Company. We have fought for years to make this market credible. If we caught a dealer misrepresenting the age of these tractors, or selling them as domestic models, we quit selling to him. Now I see more and more blatant misrepresentation. From a firm buying salvage tractors and doing a complete cosmetic-only recondition ("but they're some of the best looking tractors I've ever seen"....fine, you want a boat anchor that's pretty, go for it) to a dealer near us claiming to have 2001 model year YM1500s and a 2002 model year YM2202. There is only ONE thing that makes any of this profitable (and people would NOT continue a practice that was not profitable)....and that is that buyers accept this garbage and reward these people by buying the merchandise. We hear it all the time...."his tractor was newer than yours", or "he was $400 less." I understand about money. I grew up poor. Still ain't rich. But ask yourself....Why is he $400 less? Is it because we are money-sucking pigs, or because he has less $$ in his units than we do? And if he has less $$ in his units than we do, why is that? Because he's a better businessman, knows more about this business than we do, or because he is buying lower quality units? In almost every case it's the latter.
And then we get the phone calls from those who bought these units, wanting us to diagnose their problem on the phone, and then tell them how to fix it. Happens all the time.
Folks, you control the money, and ultimately, your buying habits control the market. We do our best to bring a quality product to the marketplace at a reasonable price. When you recognize that someone is coming to the marketplace either with junk, or clearly without ethics (and one disagreement with a dealer does not constitute a void in ethics), shout it from the rooftops. When you see someone advertising like the above, tell people..either this guy is completely ignorant and stupid, or a liar. Would you buy from him in either case?

Information is our friend. We have always pursued the dissemination of accurate information about these tractors. Keep on bringing in accurate and helpful information for folks to these forums. And remember that something thrives in the marketplace only because the market embraces it.
Peace,
wayne
 
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Very well said.

Eugene
 
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I saw an ad for a 2001 YM1510D tractor.. What a scam.
 
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Excellent reply Wayne.
I have heard basically the same story from the local dealer who used to import Yanmars. The cheaper prices from a cosmetically refurbed salvage tractor dealer basically got them out of the Yanmar business.
Any equipment dealer should know enough about what they are selling to know that statements like those "new" Yanmars are fraudulent since the information is so easy to obtain. I wish there was more that you could do to curb such creative marketing but just getting the word out is about the best that we can do.
 
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Would this be a good thread to sell my 2002 YM1500 on?
 
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I know what you mean. Not knowing anything at all about tractors, I got hosed by a dealer selling repainted tractors as "refurbs". It was painted like new and had a new FEL mounted on it. Looked good and seemed to run good.

It has been a real nightmare. I've spent more time fixing it than using it.

I am going to trailer it back to him later this week and try to get him to fix a major problem. I am confident that he won't fix it but I know I will feel a lot better after I get in his face.
 
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internationalman,
If you're seriously looking for a Yanmar, visit Wayne. His tractors seem to be the "cream of the crop" here in Ohio.
 
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Does anyone here know anything about MTS No. 1 Tractors in Minerva Ohio ? Very nice looking pictures, Prices look good. I don't want to buy one of those boat anchors. Please e-mail Fishstixtwo@aol.com
 
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Is yanmar still making any new tractors overseas? If so, what model 3's have been produced since say 1999?

Thanks,

Soundguy
 
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I agree wih you 100%. I got a call last week from a person that bought a new 2001 model 30 hp Yanmar SD2043 from a dealer in Ohio. It is really an early 80's Shibaura 20/24 hp. The dealer claimed he bought 80 of them from a dealer going broke in Tn. It is common knowledge in the trade that the reconditioned tractors(?) are bought in Japan as junk tractors.
 
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I don't know if the John Deere 4110 is still made by completely by Yanmar but if a guy wanted a NEW Yanmar thats probably as close as you can get. I have heard that there are some dealers who recondition old Yanmars and call them new. Of course it is pretty hard to imagine them doing a complete remanufacture and even if they did everything you possibly could do it would still be a used tractor. There seem to be quite a few people out there just waiting for someone to fleece them of their money. Anyone who ever bought a used tractor has rolled the dice but you ought to go into a deal with some knowledge.

Chris
 
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"Reconditioning" is a VERY loose term and way overused. It usually only means a paint job. Some dealers will advertise thier tractors are not prettied or doctored up as though that is a real benefit. I regard this thinking as reasoning for not painting the unit. I wonder what else wasn't done, and of all the things to emphasize about the quality of the unit was this the best they had to offer. That it wasn't painted so you can SEE what your getting. What you can see isn't the problem anyway, its what you can't see where problems creep up.
I view the cosmetic appeal of the tractor to be important, and only second to the mechanical integrity of the unit. I try to paint all of them I can and usually paint some portion of all of them. I feel it improves curb appeal, and contributes to the perception of quality and value on the part of the non traditional tractor customer. First impressions count.
When choosing between two tractors, one painted and one not, there is still no way of knowing if time was taken by the seller to make the tractor right. I suggest asking for a specific list of what was done to that specific unit to make it ready to sell. Unless of course you're buying the creampuff only used on sundays, waxed regularly and has never seen a rice paddy.
 
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I prefer my tractors untouched. Just my own personal preference.
BTI
 
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Len, that person contacted us BEFORE buying and we told him it wasn't a Yanmar. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him believe it's really water. I often wonder why people ask a question when they aren't prepared to accept an answer.
Paint--I'm sure different folks have different preferences. I don't know why you would paint a tractor that looks good, or increase the customer's costs unnecessarily. Perhaps the folks who choose to do so don't have units that look as good as the ones we see. My comment above re: paint was SPECIFICALLY regarding one outfit, taking poor quality tractors through VietNam, and giving them essentially a cosmetic-only reconditioning and paint job. In this market, in general, having ALL units painted meant this quality of tractor, in my opinion. I stand by that. Does it mean some repaints are not mechanically good, or that no non-repaints are mechanically bad? Of course not. But the odds are.........

Now...you say "lotsa folks that don't do a thing to them." I assume you cannot be talking about importers, because if an importer did nothing to the tractors, they would be sold in pieces from the container. I am not aware of anyone doing that. Are you? There are clearly some who don't do much in the way of repairs or mechanical intervention, but I still think the initial quality of the unit is a bigger factor than the work done on them. And units that are initially the best quality GENERALLY are not in need of paint. Hank, you got a pretty tractor. Would you have wanted it painted, at in increase in your price? Or even at the same price? How about anyone else who bought from us? Jeff? Tractor pictured has repainted rims and nothing else painted. Nothing. Yours, I think, Hank.
I'm done. Enjoy. Peace to all.

wayne
 

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