Winch Valve ?

[WildWest]

I have a hydraulic winch i am wanting to isntall on a truck using the power steering as a supply pump

What kind of valve do i need an open center etc?

I want a 12v i have looked at surpluscenter.com but i dont know enough about hydraulics to know what i need

I assume i take the return line where it would go to the power steering pump and tee in or maybe the output not 100%

just knowing what kind of valve i need would put me a step closer

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I do not believe a power steering pump will give you enough pressure to operate your winch. They don't even have enough to lift a snow plow blade. You are much better off going with an electric winch or installing a separate pump on your engine and running off of that.

 

[RollTideRam]

What kind of winch do you have? MileMarker makes a hydraulic winch to use with a power steering pump. JC

 

[WildWest]

I do not believe a power steering pump will give you enough pressure to operate your winch. They don't even have enough to lift a snow plow blade. You are much better off going with an electric winch or installing a separate pump on your engine and running off of that.

I guess you should let the United States Military know because every HMMWV runs milemarkers on the power steering off the 6.5

An electric winch wont work underwater either.

If i had wanted an electric thats what i would have bought they have a low duty cycle and require an upgraded charing systems dual batteries etc

Now pto and hydraulics have their downfall but as long as you have running engine its good to go

RollTideRam I have a Ramsey H200 I had thought about getting the milemarker install kit but it has a flange bolting pattern that goes on the hyd motor mine has threaded ports with lines that remotely connect to a valve I just dont want a manual valve i want to be able to run it outside the truck or inside.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I guess you should let the United States Military know because every HMMWV runs milemarkers on the power steering off the 6.5

If he indeed has a HMMWV, I stand corrected. If he has one of the other 99.9% of vehicles in existance, then I don't believe it will work.

 

[KentT]

You know, it's not worth arguing about.

That's certainly true. However, you may want to do a bit more research on hydraulic winches driven off power steering pumps. I've been researching them myself. The Mile Markers get VERY good reviews, such as this one, especially for the money:

4X4REVIEW.COM: Mile Marker Hydraulic Winch

I think the MileMarker's like the one linked are only rated for 3.5gpm flow or something like that -- not really much at all, by hydraulic standards.

For continuous use, like snatching logs, they're MUCH better than electrics, which will quickly overheat or drain your battery, or both...

 

[gemini5362]

I dont know the brand name but my boss has a 12000 pound hydraulic winch on his blazer. He seems pretty happy with it.

I do not know if there is a difference in power steering pumps but I believe my Chevrolet silverado with a duramax diesel powers the booster for my brakes off of the power steering. I understand that diesels do not have any vacuum so they run the brake booster off of the the power steering. You might want to check and see if that is an issue if you are wanting to run a hydraulic winch off of a truck with a diesel and use the vehicle power steering pump.

This is a link to someone installing a Mile Marker winch in a jeep
pumphttp://7slotgrille.com/projects/03rubicon/mm/.



Here is the link to get an adapter kit to adapt a vehicle power steering pump
for a Mile Marker H series winch. You might look into the kit and see if all you had to do was run the hoses for it to your winch. It looks like all the valving is external on an H series.
Mile Marker H-Series Adapters

I am not trying to take sides on this issue just showing some information. It does appear that Mile Marker has kits to put on most popular vehicles.

 

[WildWest]

Well the milemarker setup has ports on top of the motor that are not threaded they have threaded holes for bolts and o rings around the ports and the valve bolts to the top of the motor

I had thought about just buying the milemarker adaptor kit

my ramsey has about a #8 hose leads coming off it if it were AN im not sure on what size hydraulic lines it has.

I had planned on drilling the orfice on the P Steering pump for a higher flow rate and streching the spring for a higher pressure.

Then eventuall upgrading to a P Series step van pump they are a higher Pressure and GPM Plus they are setup for a remote resivoir


Yes i am going to have Hydraboost brakes as you described your duramax having

I also plan on running a Hydraulic Ram assisted steering in the future.

The pumps not really my problem

It's just getting the proper solenoid valve .


Can you only edit your latest post btw?

Here is the article where i saw the milemarker setup with the bolt on flange

Mile Marker Hydraulic Winch Installation

 

[MrJimi]

On editing your own post there is a time limit and I'm not sure what it is

 

[MossRoad]

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[ovrszd]

Your stock Power Steering Pump will run your winch satisfactorily. I run a 10.5K Mile Marker Hydraulic with my stock Jeep pump. Hydraulic winches are known for slowness but they are strong. The best part about them is they have no adverse affect on the vehicle. By that I mean you can pull and pull and pull and pull, however long your vehicle will sit and idle, with no side affects. I incorporated a cooler because I was afraid of the fluid heating up but that's not a problem at all. After many minutes of pulling I can still lay my hand on the hydraulic motor and lines.



As for plumbing, I run the output of my pump to the winch control block fastened on the winch. The output of the winch control block goes to the input of my Jeep steering box. The output of the steering box goes to the input of the cooler. The output of the cooler goes to the return of the pump. Very simple. My controller is mounted directly to the winch motor. It uses two solenoids to push/pull an internal valve inside the controller. I can use a remote lead control switch or an in-cab switch.

I can be on a hard pull and still have power steering.

In your case, your valve assembly will be isolated so you are adding a set of hoses between the valve and the winch motor.

As for the valve, I sure can't help you there. Hopefully someone will come along that has an answer for you.

The hydraulic versus electric debate is pointless. I have four electrics and one hydraulic. They all have their place to shine.

Here's a couple pics of my Jeep's setup. Sorry i don't have better closeups of the plumbing.

 

[WildWest]

I plan on running a B&M Slimline Trans Cooler and A Hydraulic Filter For Added Precaution

I hear alot of people running tractor hydraulic fluid in their power steering setups especially when they are running Assist steering

 

[Farmerford]

Thanks, Moss Road. Civility brings more help than rudeness.

Wayne County Hose is partly correct (he is usually right on).

My 10 year old Mile Marker winch uses a separate control solenoid that mounts on the fender well of my 1977 Bronco. Those solenoids were furnished with the earlier style winches. That suits me because the winch is on the rear bumper, and gets lots of spray, mud, and dust. I much more often than not want to get out of a hole rather than pull myself further in it. If I do want to cross the mud, I pull myself back out, and then use the winch to pull the Bronco backwards across the swamp. A solenoid valve on the winch motor (like the current design) might not last very long.

These winches were designed for relatively low pressure and low volume power steering systems (1200 psi and 3-5gpm). They used large displacement motors to make up for the low pressure, and as a result were very slow, although powerful. Newer models have two speeds to help this problem.

A power steering pump will not adequately drive my logging winch, which is designed for 10gpm at 3000 psi. So a winch designed for low pressue and volume is needed for satisfactory performance with the typical power steering pump.

I think Mile Marker still makes the stand alone solenoid. Look at Index of /milemarker/adapter_kits
That appears to be the type I have.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

My apologies. I guess they do make these to run off the power steering. I personally would just install an auxiliary pump as I don't like that idea at all.

I don't know what these Mile a marker winches are like, but these guys Bailey Hydraulic Cylinders Manufacturer have 3 hyd winches from 9k to 15k lb pull. On page 51 of their online catalog.
They also have the 12v solenoids and manifold blocks on p 61.

 

[WildWest]

Here is the specs on my setup its the ramsey H200


I had been wanting to buy a valve from surpluscenter.com if possible i just dont know what to get i assume it would be an open center 3 way 4 port?

I have hoses and dont want to go the 350$ milemarker install setup route unless i have to

From what i just read i need about 15GPM at 1500-1600 PSI Im going to have to look into what a modded pump yields

 

[bjcsc]

I am also running a 2 speed Milemarker Hydraulic winch on my Jeep, powered by an AGR Super Pump. You can see the lines routing under the fender under the left turn signal. The remote connection is inside. Let me know if you need any pics/routing info...

 

[WildWest]

I was looking in summit racing last night at the agr superpump rated at 3.5 gpm it was in the Heep section but im sure they offer it for a gm setup its more than likley the same saginaw pump

I was going to try modifying a stepvan pump at first always keep that 350$ aftermarket pump in mind as an upgrade

I am also going with the stepvan style pump due to its remote resivor i will build a resivoir out of some 4" alum tubing i have im aiming for around a gallon capacity

If you dont mind send me some pics of your setup it would be greatly aprcaited

 

[ovrszd]

Here is the specs on my setup its the ramsey H200


I had been wanting to buy a valve from surpluscenter.com if possible i just dont know what to get i assume it would be an open center 3 way 4 port?

I have hoses and dont want to go the 350$ milemarker install setup route unless i have to

From what i just read i need about 15GPM at 1500-1600 PSI Im going to have to look into what a modded pump yields

I didn't see a link to your Ramsey specs?? Wow,,,,, 15 GPM??? That sounds very high?? If your winch specs call for that much volume, you aren't going to get it from a factory power steering pump or from AGR's pump. The MM winches that bjcsc and I are running don't need anywhere near that much volume.

I can't swear to the gain between a factory pump and the AGR pump. If my old memory serves me correctly, my factory pump is rated at 3.2 gpm and 1400 psi. It can be tweaked for more but all my Jeep Freak friends say I'll just create a failing pump somewhere down the line. So I've left mine alone. If my pump ever fails me I will consider an AGR pump.

I think the MM hydraulic winch is the most dependable winch you can buy. It only comes up short in speed. For my uses that is important.

 

[bjcsc]

I can't swear to the gain between a factory pump and the AGR pump. If my old memory serves me correctly, my factory pump is rated at 3.2 gpm and 1400 psi. It can be tweaked for more but all my Jeep Freak friends say I'll just create a failing pump somewhere down the line. So I've left mine alone. If my pump ever fails me I will consider an AGR pump.

I'll agree with that. When I frame-off restored my CJ-7, my stock steering box had been weeping for years and my pump was original. I replaced it with a Super Box and got a good deal on getting the pump at the same time. With all the work I was doing at that time, I had decided that anything that wasn't 100% either was made 100% or replaced. Basically, I'm not running the AGR pump out of necessity. I'll snap some pics for you as soon as I can...it's dark now and supposed to be raining in the morning...

 

[WildWest]

Yea im realizing my industrial winch is too much for the power steering/

I guess i am going to get a pto mounted pump and build a resivoir have some quick connects for other hydraulics


Here is the link to my winch specs i could have swore i posted it?

http://www.ramseypdfs.com/owners_search_pdfs/912405-0106-U.pdf