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[Mtsoxfan]

That would change my thinking for sure on the practicality, but the other issues still exist.

agreed.

 

[lilranch2001]

It still takes almost two hours to fully charge a cell phone battery…..

They have been developed over 25 years ago!

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Solid state batteries. More range. Faster charge. More $$$

 

[Torvy]

Those car shows are well-known for being overly optimistic. There will be a solution to transition away from ICE. EV is simply not it. Lots of scientists and engineers have pointed this out, but they are swimming against an irrational stream of dreams.

Part of the argument against ICE is that the fuel is non-renewable. In a mythical world where batteries have replaced all ICE, there simply will not be enough non-renewable elements to power everything.

Fortunately, some people are still looking beyond the EV to find real solutions. Some may not work, but at least they are trying.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I remember back in the 80's?? when they were toying with hydrogen, and in the 2000's, fuel cells...
Fuel cells in busses.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

I remember in the 60s when they were playing with fuel sells on apollo....

 

[bnold]

Keep up the insulting while convincing yourself.

It only makes you look bad.

As of 2020, owners of EVs were predominantly middle-aged white men earning more than $100,000 per year.

• Men make up 75% of individuals who purchase battery-electric vehicles (BEVs).
• People aged 55+ make up 53.6% of BEV owners.
• Those earning $100,000+ annually make up 57% of BEV owners.
• 87% of EV owners in the U.S. are white.

Like I said, rich older white people.

What is your point again?

Post metrics from 2023 to refute mine, why are you going back 3 years?

Seems to be an extremely even split between 35-54 and 54+ age groups

60% ‘white people’ isn’t the US racial demographic right around 60% ‘white people’?

 

[bnold]

Maybe a little more enlightenment for you

Electric cars are great for U.S. suburbs; cities, not so much

New York City is not well suited to electric cars, apparently.

www.greencarreports.com

“Metropolitan area”

Look it up and you too will be enlightened.

About 80%+ of the US population lives in one.

Living in the ‘city’ doesn’t mean everyone lives in a high rise and parks in a parking garage.

 

[5030]

Interesting article. I would imagine that in NYC, even parking to charge an EV would probably result in some thief either stealing it or pilfering the contents. Metro NYC is pretty lawless and has been for decades. Been there many times and I have a friend who lives in a rent controlled flat off 34th street and the last thing he would ever do is own a private vehicle. One, just parking it is cost prohibitive, 2, insurance is also cost prohibitive and 3, it would get damaged or broken into real quick. he either walks to work or uses public transportation and so does his wife.

You won't find many vehicles in metro New York that have functioning trunk locks because that is the first thing thieves do is punch the trunk lock out and steal anything inside of value.

The movie 'Escape from New York' has a lot of truth in it.

 

[aczlan]

But there is a history of ICE vehicles going over 200k miles. It is not uncommon

How many EV’s have gone 200k miles without a battery replacement?

A friend had a first generation Prius that made it over 300k miles with nothing but basic maintenance (oil changes, 2-3 sets of brakes, suspension, tires, the 12v battery, etc), it got replaced with a new Prius that can be plugged in and has a motor.
A lot is made of changing a battery pack, in most cases, the battery pack is made of smaller packs and it is more common to replace the smaller pack that is actually bad, not the entire pack.


Aaron Z

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe if they made EV like commercial UPS?

The uninterrupted power system I use have a sliding drawer or tray... 2 screws and slide out all the batteries...

I like the old cell phones where batteries were user accessible... anything else is designed as a throwaway.

My 6S apple is 8 years now on original battery... I would have replaced it a few years back if it was slide in... can't go an 8 hour shift with plugging in...

 

[milkman636]

I was involved in a planning meeting for a new building this week. One of the topics was EV charging spaces in the parking lot. The lower budget figure was $18,000 per spot to provide level two charging. That’s not the physical spot itself, just the installed level 2 charging infrastructure. Plus the owner was still evaluating how they would charge employees and visitors for the service. There’s some administration costs involved that they were trying to figure out as well.

 

[ultrarunner]

We don't have any but adjoining shopping center has many.

Could be lots of changes in 2024 or not... everything on hold...

 

[lilranch2001]

The few charging stations I see are either locked out due to not working or no business.

Gasoline stations are always busy

 

[Hay Dude]

The few charging stations I see are either locked out due to not working or no business.

Gasoline stations are always busy

Maybe they ran out of diesel fuel to power them?

 

[Hay Dude]

Post metrics from 2023 to refute mine, why are you going back 3 years?

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Seems to be an extremely even split between 35-54 and 54+ age groups

60% ‘white people’ isn’t the US racial demographic right around 60% ‘white people’?

San Francisco is typical of all of the United States?

Keep ‘em coming. I need a good laugh…

 

[Hay Dude]

I remember seeing pictures of EV cars from the 1900’s. I think there was an electric model T with a picture of it at a jobsite powering some electric tools.

 

[5030]

Said previously that my cousin had a Prius and sold it (no idea how many miles were on it) but I wanted to buy it and add either Tweco or Dinse quick connects to the battery and use it for DC field (SMAW) welding. I know the Prius battery is tiny compared to say a Tesla battery and much less expensive to replace as well. On a Pure plug in that is getting up in age, I would assume a battery replacement versus scrapping the car, would be a trip to the scrap yard.

I suspect that will be the limiting factor in used EV's.

Only time will tell on that.

 

[Hay Dude]

What was old is now new again….

 

[lilranch2001]

Those aren’t model T’ s are they?