Which Yanmar model (if any)

[Scotty Dive]

I will throw my two cents and for what it's worth . I was in the same boat you were although I don't have as much property you have but I do have a pond and I do have a sizable hill that approaches 30° of angle. Every winter we have to face the fact in Connecticut that there's going to be a significant amount of snow so snow removal is an issue as well. I use my tractor for anything and everything I can think of ....typically includes wood removal, logging, leveling the property, removing myself when I'm stuck, Pond maintenance, snow removal, lifting engines out of cars, moving wood woodstoves,....you name it they can do it. I truly lucked out when I found my tractor but I knew also what I was looking for. I upgraded from two Sears 1970s era garden tractors, 2 Wheel Drive with loaded weights in the rear etc. etc. it but I just couldn't do what I needed to get done. I ended up with a YM 2020D, basically breaks down to a 24 hp engine and 20 hp at the PTO, Power shift, loader, and no power steering (although I have the kit from hoye ready to install) I immediately removed the rice tires and upgraded both fronts and backs to turf tires. I loaded it with beet juice in the rears and I run four link chains all year long. This set up allows me to go anywhere on the property at any time from muddy marshy areas to going up my large hill to snow plowing all while not damaging my lawn. This tractor, with the turf tires and new rims is 60 inches wide and runs my six-foot backplate for snow removal, a 42 inch brush hog, and a (850#) wood chipper and a 48 inch box blade. I don't see a lot of this model for sale, but what I wanted to let you know is that the 20 to 24 Horse power yanmars are really a stout well-built well engineered and very capable tractor.

I also have an excel spreadsheet I have been building for years with notes and spec's of the gray and domestic models you may find useful. If you want a copy of it pm me with your emails address and I will send it along

 

[woolyAcres]

Thanks for the comments. And that's a nice setup you've got.

I'm getting more and more comfortable that a 25HP machine would do nearly every thing I'd want. With regard to the tire change- do turfs fit on the same rims that the rice tires were on or did you do a complete rim/tire replacement? Have you noticed an improvement in stability. It certainly doesn't look like it floats on top of the ground; not based on your second picture. Were you able to drive out of that mess or did you have to be pulled?

 

[Todd8665]

Thanks for the comments. And that's a nice setup you've got.

I'm getting more and more comfortable that a 25HP machine would do nearly every thing I'd want. With regard to the tire change- do turfs fit on the same rims that the rice tires were on or did you do a complete rim/tire replacement? Have you noticed an improvement in stability. It certainly doesn't look like it floats on top of the ground; not based on your second picture. Were you able to drive out of that mess or did you have to be pulled?

Not to answer for Scotty, but for those tires you need new rims and i would bet he got them from Hoye Tractor(Think I can see the sticker on his tractor). What I am wondering is if he got the tires and rims from Hoye?

 

[yanmars]

I have had a Yanmar 336D for many years. Maybe 30 to 33 horsepower. Perhaps just a bit bigger than you wanted.

 

[tman1020]

Here is a pic of the 1702

 

[tman1020]

Here is one of it sitting next to a ct225. The ct is 1 foot wider.

Can only post one pic at a time

 

[tman1020]

 

[Scotty Dive]

Thanks for the comments. And that's a nice setup you've got.

I'm getting more and more comfortable that a 25HP machine would do nearly every thing I'd want. With regard to the tire change- do turfs fit on the same rims that the rice tires were on or did you do a complete rim/tire replacement? Have you noticed an improvement in stability. It certainly doesn't look like it floats on top of the ground; not based on your second picture. Were you able to drive out of that mess or did you have to be pulled?

In that case, if you notice I had the back blade attached and that was acting like an anchor when I tried to move since I was stuck so deep. I disconnected it and worked myself out with the bucket. HOWEVER, one of the items I built/bought was a 8000# winch mounted to a harbor freight winch bracket and then attaches to my three point receiver hitch or I can attach it to a tree and winch the front of the tractor out. I really have some sloppy areas and its not uncommon to get in trouble fast. I use the winch for lots of other tasks like pulling trees/logs, large rocks etc and of course the peace of mind that if I get the tractor in over its head I have a way to get it out. It give me that confidence to work that I would have passed on in the past for fear of getting stuck.

The turf tires are from Hoye, but at the time they were unable to source the tires, so I bought the rims from them, had them shipped to a local tire house who had the correct tires and had the rears filled with Rim guard. IIRC, they added 31 gallons at 11 pounds so each rear tire weighs an additional 341 pounds. the tractor sits lower too. I find they float when they need to (on the lawn) and dig when I need them to. I bought the chains for winter but noticed increased traction in the slop and limited damage to the lawn (if you are careful) so I leave them on all year long. I don't have a great shot of what the tractor looked like with the rice tires were on it. But below you can kind of see how much wider the rears tires are the added weight makes the tractor way more stable, reduces the need to have weight on the back of the tractor (I still do when lifting very heavy items), but I have never had the rear wheels lift of or even feel light when lifting anything. Don't get me wrong, I have still had the front tires come off when I am working on a hill, but you really get a feel for the machine and I work slow so it gives me a better chance of reacting. The ROPS went on as soon as I bought the tractor....if you have any hills I highly recommend it.

 

[tman1020]

In that case, if you notice I had the back blade attached and that was acting like an anchor when I tried to move since I was stuck so deep. I disconnected it and worked myself out with the bucket. HOWEVER, one of the items I built/bought was a 8000# winch mounted to a harbor freight winch bracket and then attaches to my three point receiver hitch or I can attach it to a tree and winch the front of the tractor out. I really have some sloppy areas and its not uncommon to get in trouble fast. I use the winch for lots of other tasks like pulling trees/logs, large rocks etc and of course the peace of mind that if I get the tractor in over its head I have a way to get it out. It give me that confidence to work that I would have passed on in the past for fear of getting stuck. The turf tires are from Hoye, but at the time they were unable to source the tires, so I bought the rims from them, had them shipped to a local tire house who had the correct tires and had the rears filled with Rim guard. IIRC, they added 31 gallons at 11 pounds so each rear tire weighs an additional 341 pounds. the tractor sits lower too. I find they float when they need to (on the lawn) and dig when I need them to. I bought the chains for winter but noticed increased traction in the slop and limited damage to the lawn (if you are careful) so I leave them on all year long. I don't have a great shot of what the tractor looked like with the rice tires were on it. But below you can kind of see how much wider the rears tires are the added weight makes the tractor way more stable, reduces the need to have weight on the back of the tractor (I still do when lifting very heavy items), but I have never had the rear wheels lift of or even feel light when lifting anything. Don't get me wrong, I have still had the front tires come off when I am working on a hill, but you really get a feel for the machine and I work slow so it gives me a better chance of reacting. The ROPS went on as soon as I bought the tractor....if you have any hills I highly recommend it. http://s139.photobucket.com/user/divedivediver/media/Yanmar YM 2020D/100_3603.jpg.html http://s139.photobucket.com/user/di...2020D/Yanmar 2020D - Public/100_3765.jpg.html

How do you power the winch a portable battery? Sounds cool

 

[woolyAcres]

I have had a Yanmar 336D for many years. Maybe 30 to 33 horsepower. Perhaps just a bit bigger than you wanted.

How do you like your 336D? Sounds like a great tractor.

 

[woolyAcres]

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Here is one of it sitting next to a ct225. The ct is 1 foot wider.

Can only post one pic at a time

If you discount the cab, how much difference is there between what work you can get done and implements you can use between these two. I understand one's much newer and has an HST but can you do 2x as much or 2x as fast with the bobcat? I guess I'm trying to get some measure of work/$. Which one would you say is the better value?

 

[woolyAcres]

Hi Scotty-

Do you mind sharing how much money you've got into this setup as it is? Were you really set on getting a Yanmar? I ask because it seems to me that by the time you buy the tractor, swap the tires, add the ROPS, etc it may have been simpler and less expensive to buy something else- like a Kioti or a new Yanmar, and possibly still had a warrenty. I suppose if you've got exactly what you want now, that's what very satisfying.

 

[clemsonfor]

There has been several here that have had a 336 and still some that are current herelike yanmars.

Domush did an almost complete rebuild/restoration thread where he bought a rough shape 336 and ended up rebuilding the engine for us all to see. It was like 2/3 liners replaced one or two rods, bearings, pistons and lots of other work including a new dash panel out of wood. i think it is the most detailed engine build thread i have ever come acoross on this forum for yanmars at least. he took lots of pictures as well along the way and did fantastic writups. I think he has dissappeared in the last few years but that is probably a good sign as his posting was more frequent with problems. Maybe he sold it but it had all kinds of issues when he got it, and still had a few of the gears in the trans missing teeth or something so he did not use them. If that tractor is still tilling his garden and mowing his lawn that says something for thier reliability and ruggedness.

 

[clemsonfor]

Hi Scotty-

Do you mind sharing how much money you've got into this setup as it is? Were you really set on getting a Yanmar? I ask because it seems to me that by the time you buy the tractor, swap the tires, add the ROPS, etc it may have been simpler and less expensive to buy something else- like a Kioti or a new Yanmar, and possibly still had a warrenty. I suppose if you've got exactly what you want now, that's what very satisfying.

I can tell you that his tires/rims and ROPS probably are what you have in your budget alone!!! Hoye lists the price of there turf kit for what ever tractor your thinging about getting it for on thier site. And the ROPs has been listed here before.

He has a solid reliable yet simple tractor that is the draw to these. I be he has something like $5000-6500 in his tractor before the additions i bet. You might get a newer Kioti or Yanmar or cub/yanmar for just a bit more money dont think it would still have a warrenty but your parts probably would cost more as there are aftermarket parts for these small tracotors on some stuff and hoye makes thier own hard to find parts on thier Lathe and cnc machines. The newer tracotors regarless of manufactur will be computer controlled and harder to diagnose and fix as well. Read what Hoye says on models to avoid specifically the Fxxx model tractors. I think those are from the 90s era. The are all computer controlled and lack english service manuals...which you could get for any of the american yanmars or kioti or whatever but you still need to spend lots of time with a probe and know what your doing where. These old tractors seem to be over engineered (except for a few items like axles shafts on the 1500/2000) and simplistic to repair and simple knowlege of mechanics and engines and or coming here with detailed infor and we can most likely get you going again. the latter is the appeal of these older YM series yanmars.

 

[kenmac]

How do you like your 336D? Sounds like a great tractor.

just an FYI.. You do know the 336 is the same as 3110

 

[woolyAcres]

No. I didn't- that's why I need a decoder!

 

[clemsonfor]

just an FYI.. You do know the 336 is the same as 3110

No. I didn't- that's why I need a decoder!

haha!:confused2::drink:

 

[kenmac]

No. I didn't- that's why I need a decoder!

336,3110,JD 950,,,,JD 1050 & yanmar 3810 all of these are pretty much the same tractor.. difference is jd 1050 & yanmar 3810 have turbo, other than that, pretty much the same

 

[tman1020]

Over all grunt is a lot more with the bobcat but it's a lot heaver to. It is not 2x as productive maybe 25% more. But it is much much nicer to operate with hydro trans,power steering smooth hydraulics large comfortable platform and everything seems to be where it is supposed to be. Don't get me wrong I loved my Yanmars they were great but they were 1982 and older machines. And did everything I needed especially the 1702. Until I found the deal on the bobcat I planed on keeping the Yanmar forever. In fact I kept it quite a while after I got the bobcat because I was so fond of it and I new I could count on it. But after using the new machine I did not want to use my beloved Yanmar anymore If you have never operated anything like a bobcat ct 225 (kioti ck 27) you should really take one for a spin it is a pleasure to operate and get on and off of not a chore.

 

[tman1020]

If you discount the cab, how much difference is there between what work you can get done and implements you can use between these two. I understand one's much newer and has an HST but can you do 2x as much or 2x as fast with the bobcat? I guess I'm trying to get some measure of work/$. Which one would you say is the better value?

Generally speaking 1 to 2 foot wider Implements. Bushhog 4'vrs 5'. Box blade 4'vrs 6'. Grader blade 5'vrs 7'. As far as better value? I guess only time will tell. The Yanmar was Cheeper obviously ( I still paid about half of what I had to pay for the bobcat)but it was a used 30 + years old gray market and the ct was a new 1 year old model. So I think that if in 30+ years the bobcat is still going strong like the Yanmar was then I don't think anyone could complain about that.