Where did I go wrong?

penokee · Sep 5, 2005

Received much good advice on an earlier thread on type of container to catch the 11.2 gallons of hydraulic fluid - never got to that point. Had planned the entire 50 hour thing on my L3130HST.
- Started with engine oil. Drain plugs came out ok, one dropped into hot oil in collection pan, find that later.
- Oil filter wouldn't budge (See picture of arsenal)
- Finally punched hole in filter with a spike and able to turn slightly.
- Smart, caught oil dripping from punched hole, moved pan after dripping stopped.
- Couldn't turn off with screwdriver in punchef hole, so got my "Big Bertha" pipe wrench. (No offense to the Ladies named Bertha - use the term with much respect)
-started to turn. forgot about punched hole and oil ran onto blacktop drive.
- Finally off , break for 2 Brewskies.
- Put plugs back into pan couldn't find one copper washer - oh yeah, it's in the pan with the used oil.
- Got a funnel with a screen, dumped very slowly into 5 gal. container (Used.dirty oil doesn't run very fast thru a screen), took 1/2 hour, no washer found.
- Finally found it still stuck to the oil pan.
- Finally adding new oil. The Amsoil container spout was too large to fit the oil add hole (added a little new oil to the old oil on the driveway). no problem, get a funnel.
- Used a funnel with a flexible spout, dumped in the first quart when I realized I had forgot to put on the new filter - a little more new oil on the blacktop.

Major revelation: New oil and used oil soften your blacktop at the same rate.

Trannie and front differential had to wait for another day, my simple mind could only take so much - no more adult refreshments in the fridge , getting dark, too tired to run to town.
This was long, but it saved me big bucks on a shrink - Thanks TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
penokee
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Bird · Sep 5, 2005

Your arsenal had everything but the oil filter wrench that you needed. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif There are several brands available and I've heard of people who couldn't get an oil filter off even with one of these, but I've never seen one myself that it wouldn't remove.

penokee · Sep 5, 2005

Where's that coppper washer? Must be in the dirty oil - not.
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penokee · Sep 5, 2005

Thanks Bird - one on order. Noticed that my replacement oil filter is round, no flat spots like most - do you know if this wrench will grip a round filter?
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RoyJackson · Sep 5, 2005

( Your arsenal had everything but the oil filter wrench that you needed. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif There are several brands available and I've heard of people who couldn't get an oil filter off even with one of these, but I've never seen one myself that it wouldn't remove. )

I have seen folks who couldn't get the filter off...even with the proper tools.

In my limited experience, this normally results from tightening the filter too much at the last oil change. They should be tightened by hand, then a ¼ turn (no more) with a filter or strap wrench.

DannyD · Sep 5, 2005

My 50 hours service was 225.00, parts and pickup and delivery........no busted knuckles and they have a paper trail of service on my unit...........priceless..........especially when something breaks that is under warranty and they and I can prove I have had them do all repairs.

Besides, my mechanical abilities end with a screwdriver and wrench.......for the most part

Bird · Sep 5, 2005

( do you know if this wrench will grip a round filter? )

Yes. The only "problem" with the three-legged wrenches is that it frequently takes two hands to put it on the filter and start to turn the wrench handle. Once it makes solid contact you're good to go. As you turn the wrench, it tightens up on the filter; may even partially crush it which just makes 3 dents that gives it an even better grip.

sneaky_pete · Sep 5, 2005

For some reason, they come from the factory with the filters on REAL tight. Broke my best filter wrench clean in half trying to take off the filters on my 50-hour service; finally did get them off with a strap wrench that is ratchet-driven. For $12, I might have to try one of Bird's wrenches.

Egon · Sep 5, 2005

So what's new. Sounds just like the rest of us . Just missed out trying to pick up the copper washer with a magnet.

Uhh - Big Bertha - thats the right tool but you use it like a hammer. Yours is steel so thats even better. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon

penokee · Sep 5, 2005

Egon - never thought of the magnet trick. Danger of using "Big Bertha" is that the glass thingy holding the gas filter is so close it's begging to be broken.
Are you pulling my leg on the magnet? Didn't think a magnet would pick up copper - but then never tried it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Inspector507 · Sep 5, 2005

Nope, copper is non-ferrous. Won't be affected by a magnet.

wushaw · Sep 5, 2005

Bird, not on a tractor but on several cars I've had nothing but base left to remove using a dull chisel. I have always used the metal strap oil filter wrenches with great sucess.
I also have one of those three legged jobs but have not used it yet.
There are so many different oil filter wrenches on the market to choose from...most good.. some junk but if it removes the filter then it's good.

Penokee, your only mistake was you ran out of BEER /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MikePA · Sep 5, 2005

I agree with Bird. Lots of equipment there, but no oil filter wrench. I have an assortment of the metal strap wrenches (with and without swivel handles), cap wrenches and the 3 legged kind. I've even marked them so I remember which vehicle or tractors filter they work on. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bird · Sep 5, 2005

Wushaw, I'm so old that I was changing oil and filters on cars in my Dad's service station when the "spin on" oil filters were invented to replace the cartridge type. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif In fact, we used to sell an adapter kit to change some cars, mostly Ford products, from the cartridge to a spin on. Of course, early on, there weren't all the special wrenches we have today, so I've driven screwdrivers through filters, used big channel locks and about everything else at one time or another. When I had to move back to town nearly 3 years ago, I threw one filter wrench in the trash (it was sorry I wouldn't have even given to anyone) and I sold 5 in a garage sale. Now they keep coming out with new stuff, so I'm not sure, but I think I've used just about every type made. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif They all work under the right circumstances, and then I'm sure that none of them work under other circumstances. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

LBrown59 · Sep 5, 2005

( Thanks Bird - one on order. Noticed that my replacement oil filter is round, no flat spots like most - *do you know if this wrench will grip a round filter?
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* Sure will That's what they're made for.
I got one just like it at Auto Zone. Think I paid $2.99 for it not suer but I do know it cost me less than 5 bucks.
This thing works great to remove the BX23 oil filter and eliminates the need to take off the hood and remove the cowl / shield just to change the engine oil.

This wrench will only work turning it counter clock wise so you can't use it to tighten or install a filter
wish they made a clock wise direction one.

LBrown59 · Sep 5, 2005

do you know if this wrench will grip a round filter?

Yes. The only "problem" with the three-legged wrenches is that it frequently takes two hands to put it on the filter and start to turn the wrench handle.
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 Yep but it's easier than fighting with the wrenches in his arsenal that you can't get on the filter with either or both hands because the handles get caught on anything and everything within a foot of the filter and if you ever do miraculously get the blamed wrench on the filter you can't turn it because the handle is snagged on something.


The thing I noticed about his arsenal is every tool has the handle in the wrong place .

have_blue · Sep 5, 2005

penokee,

I can see the whole problem.

*You should have started off with the brewskies.

*You should have wrapped big fat Ace bandage around your hands and asked your neighbor to change your oil. The Ace bandages make a dandy beer coozie. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ronjhall · Sep 5, 2005

You are not the only one to have problems. I changed oil in my tractors trasmission a few years ago. All went well using infromation gathered here on TBN. Even put all the oil in a 5 gal can so I could take oil back to dealer to dispose of. Went out to the barm to get can next morning. Oil all over the floor. Can had a pin hole in bottom. Luckly barn has a cement floor. But it is stain with the engine oil that was also poured in can. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
You need to get rid of that pipe wrench. It not a tool for working on tractors. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Get a large pair of Channel-Locks. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I have yet to find a filter that they will not remove. I have one of those filter wrenches that Bird suggest in a previous post. But it's hard to break old habits. I always grab the Channel locks. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Honest Bird I will use that tool one of these days. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

ronjhall · Sep 5, 2005

Did you get the oil sample that you asked about in this thread? Click Here /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

btolle · Sep 5, 2005

( Wushaw, I'm so old that I was changing oil and filters on cars in my Dad's service station when the "spin on" oil filters were invented to replace the cartridge type. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Bird, I faintly remember some cars that didn't even have oil filters and no oil pumps either. Our age is showing!

I have 2 pairs of 460 Channellock pliers. 16" long with 4" jaw opening. I have never seen a filter that did not shriek in horror when it saw those coming. They are also handy for straightening bumpers, etc.It is amazing how many things I have used those pliers for over the years.

The 16" are about $25 but worth every penny. They also make 20" with a 5 1/2" jaw opening for $50 but the 16" have done about everything I ever needed them to do.

Bill Tolle