welder circuit

Oldpath05 · Jan 9, 2021

arrow said:
Thanks OP (and al3 for your info)
Quite the trick there Old Path.
You are correct about wanting more heat. The puddle on the Forney Easy Weld 140 is almost non-existent. I bought a $200 Miller hood just to see it better. The Forney is prolly operational for sheet metal where you use .023 wire. Even .30 wire on 3/16th was a struggle for it.
I don't want to tell my daughters about the inadequacy of their gift for my uses as I think would be rotten of me. My stick welder produces a 10 times better bead. It was as if you had to learn to mig first to use the Forney welder in order to become a better stick welder instead of the other way around.

After seeing the quality welds of sberry's 210 Hobart, I attempted to purchase the 210 Hobart which the company said they ran out of but would give me a 190 Handler for $100 bucks off. So I took their offer of $679 for the 190.
I'm hoping that welder can produce just about the same bead as Sberry's 210 Hobart.

Anything has to be better than the Forney which you can't even use on a 220 volt circuit.

I'll look Hobart 190 up, but think it's close to small Miller welders. Small 120 volt mig welders with .023 wire is great for exhaust and body work, up to maybe 1/8 steel.

WranglerX · Jan 9, 2021

Oldpath05 said:
I'll look Hobart 190 up, but think it's close to small Miller welders. Small 120 volt mig welders with .023 wire is great for exhaust and body work, up to maybe 1/8 steel.

Hobart 190 is a 240V machine....

https://www.hobartwelders.com/files/owners-manuals/O260273F_HOB.pdf

I have a HH 140 and use GMAW exclusively and .030 wire and dont have any problem with up to 1/4 inch material....

Dale

arrow · Jan 9, 2021

DL Meisen said:
Hobart 190 is a 240V machine....

https://www.hobartwelders.com/files/owners-manuals/O260273F_HOB.pdf

I have a HH 140 and use GMAW exclusively and .030 wire and dont have any problem with up to 1/4 inch material....

Dale

Thanks Dale
You internet guys are good.
I don't even have this welder yet and I 've learned stuff about it already.
Makes me look like I'm smart and don't have to read instructions out of the box.

jaxs · Jan 9, 2021

Yea,that's what's so great about these forums,you don't need to read the owner's manual when experts are at your disposal. Shucks,you don't need shop manuals either as long as you have folks wiling to tell you how to open her up and do surgery. If you want to really expand your knowledge,open an electrical discussion. BTW,nasty on you for calling domestic electric supply 115 and 230 volt,that sort of inaccurate terminology just isn't acceptable for TBN discussions.:laughing:

Sberry · Jan 9, 2021

There is a context calling it the wrong voltage is rather irrelevant but the 190 is good. I think its only a pinch off the top end of the 210, its been a while since I looked at the charts. I think the curves are in the owners manuals and can get them free at Hobart site. There is some solid stuff in this thread. The 190 is 240 only, it doesnt bother me. The 140 models are easier to find used, many trade up to the 190/210 and guys get them and rarely sell.

arrow · Jan 9, 2021

Sberry said:
There is a context calling it the wrong voltage is rather irrelevant but the 190 is good. I think its only a pinch off the top end of the 210, its been a while since I looked at the charts. I think the curves are in the owners manuals and can get them free at Hobart site. There is some solid stuff in this thread. The 190 is 240 only, it doesnt bother me. The 140 models are easier to find used, many trade up to the 190/210 and guys get them and rarely sell.

I'm hoping the 190 isn't far off from the softness I see in your welds S.
I want the 220 anyway (sorry jax, I mean 240) . I could be wrong but I think that voltage advantageous when it comes to easier and better looking welds

arrow · Jan 9, 2021

jaxs said:
Yea,that's what's so great about these forums,you don't need to read the owner's manual when experts are at your disposal. Shucks,you don't need shop manuals either as long as you have folks wiling to tell you how to open her up and do surgery. If you want to really expand your knowledge,open an electrical discussion. BTW,nasty on you for calling domestic electric supply 115 and 230 volt,that sort of inaccurate terminology just isn't acceptable for TBN discussions.:laughing:

I do surgery. My practice is called Norm's Garage of Medicine. You can have surgical procedures while you're waiting for your car to be fixed. All surgical tools are disinfected with gasoline so everything is pretty antiseptic.
I am at a loss why someone didn't think of this convenience a long time ago.
It came to me while I was in a coma.

Sberry · Jan 9, 2021

I havnt ran anything with auto set so dont know how it all works. The door charts are a bit off, there was a 3rd pic somewhere from the first bead from the machine. Those are from the second and third after I make 1 adjustment to get it wide open. There is a minor flaw in the taps but its not really a deal killer, we were field testing and being really critical. One of the other testers found it too but sheet, didnt make a great difference, avg user might not be able to find it, not sure
The 190 is same as the red box store 180 but its got a couple more tapps. The red 180 is a super machine and they make it a long time and the guy tuned it was a welder. Its really perfect 030 solid C25, right on. Its only a 5 speed but its got 3 settings with that wire, thin, medium and thick. Same right on every time with the taps. It was so good I bought a red 255,,, pos in comparison, super fussy and was suggested I try 030 in it to see if it perks it up.

Sberry · Jan 9, 2021

These are some gap fill pics. I will elaborate later a bit but you can really make it hang in there with the 210 on this 10 or 11 ga. Pic 5 and can see how far it could be ran to fill without stopping The pencil was to show width which was 2x as wide as the thickness maybe more. The cuts were crude and made it too short, we stretched it to make the overall perfect for this light beam splice and simply fill the gap.
The last 2 are actually welded from the other side. In one you can see the line, we salvaged this and it needed a couple stitch welds for security and instead of fussing over it simply melted them thru in semi plug weld fashion really.