water filtration

[Devildog]

Ric, Glad to here your getting it all lined up, Sounds like you know the basics pretty good. Its funny how important that H2O becomes when your having problems.

HeeHaw, Did make a good point, Espeacially good for well disinfection to. I tend to forget about clorox cause we use chlorine gas and HTH as spot treatment.

Baseplate man them things were heavy. But man it sure was fun firing them/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. And you are right about once was enough. The comraderie was the greatest. Still have some great friends in(Lifers) The only other thing I can say is Full Metal Jacket/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Mike, That is nice to here. Thank you very much and I Thank you for all other vets to. I was raised in a very strick catholic atmosphere so when I joined the military it seemed easy(LOL)/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif My better half is retired Navy and she has her hands full keeping me in line.
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Take care all, Jim

2001 B7500 HST 302 Fel R4 Tires, Befco BRB60
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[heehaw]

i never thought about using the same chlorene as used in swimming pools, i guess because clorox is so readily available, how does the price compare??
heehaw

 

[Devildog]

HeeHaw, this is there site HTH . We use there pool grade and last I purchased it was $100.00 for 75lbs. We only use this for spot treatment in the summer after the plant has been shut down and the chlorine gas has dissipitated from the water from the heat. We add HTH before startup to bring the chlorine level backup to about 5 PPM. Hope this info helps.
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Take care, Jim

2001 B7500 HST 302 Fel R4 Tires, Befco BRB60
Semper Fidelis

 

[ric]

HeeHaw, although the price is within 10 cents per gallon of Chlorox, it's really cheaper because it's twice as strong. We buy it by the box, each box having 4 one gallon jugs from a nearby pool supply retailer. ric

 

[ric]

Jim, Hopefully the charcol filter supplies and the new injector nozzle will arrive today. Even though I have a charcol filter in the line I am seriously thinking about adding one of those large sediment filters you can get at Home Depot to further reduce particles in the water.

Baseplate WOW!!! Talk about big and heavy! You the man! Speaking of fun to run, switched to an armored unit as an engine and transmission mechanic what a rush. I'll never forget my first fam run, the first time we fired the cannon I thought we had been hit. Then the tank retrievers nothing, but brute force at it's finest. Only have a few friends left alive from that period, things happen. ric

 

[Devildog]

Ric, The sediment filters are awesome, I have one on my well system at home and it keeps all the sand and sediment out. I use an omni filter cause the filters are readily avalable at home depot or lowes.

Baseplate/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gifbeing a rather large person I knew that is what they had in store for me(LOL)I wanted to go armor/mechanized but you know how it goes when you sign up open contract.Sorry to here about the loss of some friends, its a sad feeling.
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Take care Bro, Jim

2001 B7500 HST 302 Fel R4 Tires, Befco BRB60
Semper Fidelis

 

[ric]

Jim, Giving some thought to buying a UV system to replace the chlorinator. Cistern water tends to have very little of anything floating around in it. Adding a sediment filter should pick off what's left making the UV about as effective as possible. UV appears to purify at the same level as chlorine without the mess. From what I have read UV and chlorine do not take out crypto or giradi (sp) bacterial cysts, only 1 micron filtration will do that. So it seems like I have not lost any functionality and gained some stability. One thing though I'm not sure how to check purity with a UV unit where I could with chlorine test strips. Your thoughts? Thanks, ric

 

[MarkV]

Ric,

<font color=blue>I am seriously thinking about adding one of those large sediment filters</font color=blue>

Check out TEKSUPPLY (www.teksupply.com) for in line filters. They offer several differnt sizes and three differnt types of filter cartridges. Cartridges are offered from 50 micron to 1micron filtering at a much better price than Home Depot. I ran two filters in line with a 30 micron to take out the big stuff and then a 5 micron filter for anything left. The two cost less than the one I priced a HD.

MarkV

 

[Devildog]

Ric, All I can say is UV is the way to go. And you sure do good research cause you do need to remove as much sediment to get full effectiveness with the UV light. I talked to our chemist today and she said that UV is effective on crypto and giradi but she could not give me specifics/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif But one of the sites we frequent alot and get good info from is AWWA Also here is some good reading on UV treatment UV Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, but we have been busy on the security end. Hope this helps.
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Take care BRO, Jim

2001 B7500 HST 302 Fel R4 Tires, Befco BRB60
Semper Fidelis

 

[ric]

Jim, Spent some time talking with the Ohio EPA today. They will not certify UV for public water consumption because it's source water sensitive which makes the results unreliable. Plus there's no way to easily check the results. They stated even if I could keep the water as clear as possible with a sediment filter there's no way to tell if the bug it's supposed to kill was close enough to the light to zap them reliably. This would apply to home or municipal systems as well according to them. They reccomend that I continue to use chlorine injection as this will work reliably in just about every situation plus with a 20 minute minimum holding tank I can probably kill any girardi in the water from birds. Crypto is another story but I'm not likely to see crypto in my cistern. The 12gpm unit I was considering is $700. The light bulb is $60 and needs swapped out once a year. The unit has a montioring device that sounds an alarm, lights up and shuts off the water supply if the bulb fails. Manual override lets me turn the water back on if I've chlorinated the cistern or boil drinking water until the new bulb arrives. They did not have the unit I wanted and even if they did I am now thinking I need to wait until I'm sure about this option. I plan to discuss this with the Ohio Health Department next week as they have responsibility for residential and municipal drinking water regulations. In the meantime I get to re-charge my charcol filter, ever done that, what a huge mess this is going to be. Thanks for the tips I looked at both sites, just what I was looking for. ric

 

[ric]

Saturday spent about 5 hours re-charging the charcol filter. There must be an easier way to do this especially if I have this to look forward to about every three years or so. Seems the water has lost it's moldy smell. Sunday things got worse. 10 hours to re-plumb the lines for the chlorine injection to make it easier to change injector nozzles and find problems. The original water company and their so-called plumber kinda just threw everything together squirted some glue on it and left. Now all the pipe is where I can get to it easily plus I now have a large sediment filter in the line. Took all day to remove, measure, locate, fit and assemble it. One of those if you want it done right do it yourself projects. Thinking back it took two guys almost ten hours to create this mess that I paid big bucks for, so 10 hours by myself to create what I wanted to begin with isn't too bad I guess. Now if I need to add or change something I can now do it easily. Only have 4 small leaks which I will likely fix this week. Still have not made a decision on UV yet. ric

 

[Devildog]

Ric, Glad to hear you got it all back together and operating good.

When we have to replace carbon we have to suck the old out and inject the new. It takes about a tandom dumptruck load per filter and we have 12 of them, which we rotate and do 4 every 3 years.

As far as the plumbing goes when we plumb in some new feed equipment we have to submit plans from our engineering department to the health dept for approval, even though we have a easier way of doing it.(go figure)

Also in my opinion UV light is the best disinfection, No chemicals to mix.
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Take care Bro, Jim



2001 B7500 HST 302 Fel R4 Tires, Befco BRB60
Semper Fidelis

 

[ric]

Jim, Think I'm going to hold off changing to UV for now. The Ohio EPA has no plans to approve this for public drinking water. The Ohio Dept of Health has developed and published guidelines for UV but they have not approved any UV units for compliance (catch 22). Meaning, although I could purchase any unit that I liked I would not be in compliance with their guidelines if the unit were not approved. It's true this would likely only come up if I sold my house and stated the system was used for drinking water. However, until then me, my wife and my pig would be using this system and I'd rather we stay healthy. Setting aside the compliance issues, the theory of operation and potential benefits look good on paper. However, there are practical daily use considerations that make installing UV questionable at best. There's the high cost, $700+ per unit, source water variables such as flow rate and clarity, (too dirty or too fast the level of disinfection declines quickly), immediate declining disinfection rate (the microwatt rating of the bulb declines at a steady pace starting the day you turn it on until it blows calling into question the purity of the water in the last half of the life of the bulb)and the lack of easily verfiable disinfection monitoring. Beyond what UV will do there's the gray area of what they might do. It seems, every supplier suggests UV systems are reliable deterrents to crypto and girardia. I'm not sure they really are as each supplier eventually tells you you will need a 1 micron filter in the line with their system. 1 micron filters are used to remove bacterial cysts which is what crypto and girardia are. This also happens to be the same verbage in the private water system guidleines for most states that have comprehensive water purification guidelines that regulate residential compliance. While I wait for these things to shake out, I'll just continue to put up with what I have, fix the leaks, add a roof washer/filter and add a 1 micron filter under the sink filter in the kitchen. Thanks for your help, if anything comes up let me know, ric