Warranty misleading

[Cycledude]

On perfectly flat ground the heel of my bucket won’t even touch the ground, I usually have to tilt the bucket in order to back drag . But because of reading about bending cylinders on this forum I have been a little extra careful about it and so far not caused any damage

 

[Torvy]

I usually use the edge, but at a shallow angle. The heel is maybe 2-6 inches higher than the edge.

Unfortunately, a lot of us learned 'how' to perform some tasks from others who didn't follow mfg instructions. Many operate on a 'if I can make the tractor do this, it is the way'. You see the same problem in other aspects of life, too.

 

[Dman1981]

There are no circuit relief valves in compact or most ag equipment
So when you go over the rated pressure of the system something will give way

 

[tradosaurus]

I think we homeowners use compact tractors like bulldozers sometimes and then wonder why parts break.
If I back drag with the bucket I'm doing it in the float position and with loose material like gravel.

 

[tractortroof]

Very informative. I have regularly back dragged on hard driveway with bucket pointed down like that, lifting front of tractor up on Kubota L3901 and John Deere 310E ,,, sooo you’re saying I shouldn’t do that?

 

[ericm979]

On perfectly flat ground the heel of my bucket won’t even touch the ground, I usually have to tilt the bucket in order to back drag . But because of reading about bending cylinders on this forum I have been a little extra careful about it and so far not caused any damage

I think its ok if you keep the bucket bottom just off level rather than curling it all the way down.

 

[CliffordK]

Yes it is, which imho means the oem prob should have addressed it a very long time ago, cost would have been relatively minor to have used a beefier ram shaft, who doesnt use a tractor to back drag

My new (to me) CAT 977 has cylinders as big as my leg. It will take an awful lot to bend them. Although I'm sure someone has figured out how to do it.

Actually, the little tiny John Deere 440ic with the ATCO loader looks like the loader is built pretty tough. But, that is a bit more industrial than most tractor loaders.

What I've found is that front end loaders seem to be sized to the tractor. In particular for lifting. So my Ford 1715 seems to have very weak lifting. But, that is likely in part safety. Don't ever lift anything that you don't have enough weight in the rear end to handle. And, more ballast, more lifting, something is bound to break.

Back dragging puts the entire engine hp into the bucket. I can see how it may not be designed to handle it.

Pushing stretches the cylinders, while back dragging compresses them (and folds them into a pretzel).

One could reverse the cylinder orientation so they're closed when the bucket is straight down, and open when the bucket is curled to its maximum lifting angle. That would help some for this specific instance of bulldozing either direction. Although, if the loader is primarily designed for pushing or lifting, then having the cylinders to stretch on lifting is probably much better.

 

[tractortroof]

Must be just my experience, but I disagree that back dragging is dangerous for a CUT. I agree that the Branson FEL is under engineered and should not have bent. Bad testimony to the brand.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Ita happening on more than just Branson... I think that's where the caution comes in

 

[K5lwq]

Here is a orange tractor with the same bad design.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Here is a orange tractor with the same bad design.


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Kubota trash

 

[Torvy]

Must be just my experience, but I disagree that back dragging is dangerous for a CUT. I agree that the Branson FEL is under engineered and should not have bent. Bad testimony to the brand.

Seems Messicks disagrees.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

And if Messicks admits it, it must be real, because Kubota is the holy grail. Of course, evidence is only valid evidence if it matches with your already preconceived notion.

 

[Torvy]

I guess some people only learn from their own mistakes rather than from others.

I found the hardest things to get through to my kids were those things that you could get away with sometimes. Tends to lull them into a false sense of security.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I guess some people only learn from their own mistakes rather than from others.

I found the hardest things to get through to my kids were those things that you could get away with sometimes. Tends to lull them into a false sense of security.

Of course, becuase if one’s limited experience doesn’t align with this information, then the information is wrong, not ones limited experience. It’s a prideful way to go through life. Also, a hard one. I watch my kids go down this path often enough. I gave them the truth, learned through experience… but of course they have their own truth which is more valid.

 

[tradosaurus]

And if Messicks admits it, it must be real, because Kubota is the holy grail. Of course, evidence is only valid evidence if it matches with your already preconceived notion.

Where in the video is Messick wrong?

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Where in the video is Messick wrong?

I’m saying they are right. The issue is, and it’s all over this forum, information is “invalid” if it does not align with one’s own beliefs.

 

[5030]

Sure looks like owners abuse or just plain old stupidity to me. I've never bent any cylinder rods in any of the 10 Kubota's I've owned, but then I always back drag with the heel of the bucket.

You extend the curl rods all the way to back drag with the bucket edge. you are almost certainly gonna bend them. I guess common sense don't count today.

 

[5030]

Yep see them too, i didnt really expect much out of them, really just wanted to make sure they were aware and they strain hardened and treated them properly, but being ignored and no response is really what gets me.
And of course letting the general public know there appears to be an issue…

I see no issue other than your ignorance to be honest. Time to remove them and take them to a hydraulic shop and have them rebuilt and pay for it and get some value from the experience as how not to do it again. IOW, always back drag with the HEEL OF THE BUCKET. That will save you some jack in the long run.

WHEN USING THE HEEL OF THE BUCKET, THE CYLINDER RODS ARE RETRACTED, not extended when using the bucket lip. Just common sense in my view and if you practiced that sort of thing with construction equipment that I own, I'd fire you immediately.

 

[Tomas4fifty8]

This thread has me thinking I can tell you that. I am back dragging all the time on the driveway. But I always float the bucket with a slight tilt forward. Never use it without floating. And maybe I am missing something entirely but I can't see how that bends the shaft. I understand that it's extended and at it weakest point. But correct if I am wrong I float it going backwards it should be fine right? I understand the possibility even floating it forward that if I meet that unmovable object it's gonna be hard on equipment. And when running forward the bucket is as close to level with the surface or slightly up as so to avoid that even with floating it going forward. So Am I also wrong for doing so? And if so please tell me so as I would rather take a scolding from you all here than my wallet