Walkout Basement Baptism

Western · Feb 9, 2011

Good time to go with "Astro-turf"!

RobertN · Feb 9, 2011

The shame is, she can sing very well. It is too bad she tried to sing it the way she did, that loud, yell, warbling thing. Too hip-hop poppish. I kinda think she tried to put too much in to it and got off track because of that. Most her music is not the type I would listen to, but she does have a voice.

Bird said:
Yes, I really hate to see our national anthem butchered that way. In fact, neither of those two girls should call themselves singers in my opinion. As for the half time show, is it a generational thing or just me? I just cannot comprehand anyone enjoying that, but obviously some must. I've heard the Super Bowl commercials are the most expensive and the best commercials, but I didn't see a single commercial that would lead me to even want to buiy their product.

But in the opinion of an old man who is not a football fan, and who didn't care who won, it was a pretty good game.:laughing:

Bird · Feb 9, 2011

RobertN said:
The shame is, she can sing very well. It is too bad she tried to sing it the way she did, that loud, yell, warbling thing. Too hip-hop poppish. I kinda think she tried to put too much in to it and got off track because of that. Most her music is not the type I would listen to, but she does have a voice.

Robert, I'd never even heard of her before, and certainly had not heard her before, but I'll take your word for it.:laughing: I'm afraid I've not heard very much of the "modern" music.

dmccarty · Feb 9, 2011

jinman said:
No, I don't have those, but you can bet I'll be looking into getting them or doing something to make sure this doesn't ever happen again.

The problem with freeze less faucets is that they are not freeze less.

I know because my freeze less faucet froze up within 30 days of moving into the new house.

One of our outside faucets has both hot and cold water. :thumbsup: We did this in case I or the dog(s) were so muddy that we could not get into the house without making a mess. Great idea!

We had a warming spell in January and I put a 5-6 foot hose on the faucet to wash off the mud. :thumbsup:

Forgot to take of the hose and the freeze less faucet froze.

The plumber does not like the freeze less faucets since he has to cut the drywall to get access to the faucet to replace/fix it.

That faucet has been unusable for 6 years.

I need to cut the drywall in a bathroom and I figure if I do that I am adding an access door in case this happens again.

Back to the Baptism, if the water hit drywall I think you will have to cut the drywall out. In the flooding from Floyd that mold would start at the bottom of the drywall and work its way up.... The drywall wicked moisture like sponge far up the wall from the height of the flood water.

Later,
Dan

dmccarty · Feb 9, 2011

JB4310 said:
The problem many people including myself have had is if you leave a hose connected with a spray handle on that does not let the water drain out then it will still freeze and break, no running water/flood cause it closed behind the break, but when You open that sillcock the next time it will leak inside the wall, It's something we see all the time.

In my case the hose was only 5-6 feet long and NO spray handle was on the end of the house. I have been a fanatic over the years about leaving a hose connected to the faucet. The one time I did it, at the new house, for the first time using the faucet, the dang thing froze.

I was really surprised since I figured the water would have just run out of the hose.

The faucet is on the back side of the house and we do not walk by it often so it was easy to miss.....

Later,
Dan

Bird · Feb 9, 2011

I use lots of brass quick couplers on the hydrants, hoses, nozzles, sprinklers, etc. and don't leave the hoses hooked up even in the summer; just a habit of rolling the hoses up on hose reels after unplugging them at the hydrant

JB4310 · Feb 9, 2011

jinman said:
Yep! It's glued to a concrete floor, so I'm thinking there is very little there to damage. If it had been a wooden subfloor, I'd sure agree.

The adjuster is due to stop by tomorrow afternoon. After he is here, we'll know a lot more.

I figured it was on concrete, I'm worried it might damage the carpet, that glue is tough stuff. That's if it's fully adhered and not just tack glued at the edges.

dmccarty said:
In my case the hose was only 5-6 feet long and NO spray handle was on the end of the house. I have been a fanatic over the years about leaving a hose connected to the faucet. The one time I did it, at the new house, for the first time using the faucet, the dang thing froze. I was really surprised since I figured the water would have just run out of the hose.

Later,
Dan

I'm surprised as well, was it hung up on something preventing it from draining? Also some of those quick connectors have a check valve or the anti siphon feature which would prevent it from draining.
I just forgot to diconnect the large coil of hose from the faucet, 2 years in a row

That was at my old house (175 years old) my new house which is 75 years old has a crazy set up for 2 of the out side faucets, the grade is close to the top of the foundation, so the pipe comes out at the top of foundation and goes straight up about 18 inches so it's high enough off the ground. there are shut offs in the basement but no way to drain that stand pipe out. I don't know how they don't break, except the fact that they are steel pipe, I know they must be freezing.

JB.

buckle97 · Feb 10, 2011

Sorry you had to go through all this trouble, Jim. Hopefully you will have a good inspection with the adjuster :thumbsup:. I hope I didn't jinx you with the CPVC trouble I had last winter :ashamed:.

JB4310 · Feb 26, 2011

What ever happened? how did Insurance company treat you?

Just curious.

JB.

jinman · Feb 26, 2011

Well, the insurance company has given us a preliminary check based on the adjuster's report. I truly believe it is a fair evaluation. It includes new carpet and painting the whole room, but I don't think paint will be necessary. My baseboard is 2-1/2 tall rough cedar and it will go right back onto the wall except in one location where the wall is covered by furniture and a cabinet, and it won't matter. We have $1000 deductible and that was deducted from the check. When I send photos and receipts for the rest of the job, they will cut me another check. I also will forward them the dewatering company's bill and they will pay all of that (about $1100).

Next week, I'll get a carpet company out to give me an estimate on the carpet. I also plan to install a freestanding woodburning stove into one corner of the basement. I talked to one stove company yesterday, and want to find at least one other for comparison. Because of the mess with that installation, I'd probably be better off to get that done before installing new carpet. In the meantime, moving furniture around (including a full slate pool table) is the major issue. I'm thinking of having a PODS delivered and used to store the furniture, but will wait to hear what the carpet guy says he needs.

I have no complaints about the insurance company. They have been very helpful and courteous. I'm guessing their final payout will be $3000 or less. That's not a big check. I've been a customer for 10 years and this represents about two year's premiums. They're still way ahead in this game.

dcyrilc · Feb 26, 2011

jinman said:
Well, the insurance company has given us a preliminary check based on the adjuster's report. I truly believe it is a fair evaluation. It includes new carpet and painting the whole room, but I don't think paint will be necessary. My baseboard is 2-1/2 tall rough cedar and it will go right back onto the wall except in one location where the wall is covered by furniture and a cabinet, and it won't matter. We have $1000 deductible and that was deducted from the check. When I send photos and receipts for the rest of the job, they will cut me another check. I also will forward them the dewatering company's bill and they will pay all of that (about $1100).

Next week, I'll get a carpet company out to give me an estimate on the carpet. I also plan to install a freestanding woodburning stove into one corner of the basement. I talked to one stove company yesterday, and want to find at least one other for comparison. Because of the mess with that installation, I'd probably be better off to get that done before installing new carpet. In the meantime, moving furniture around (including a full slate pool table) is the major issue. I'm thinking of having a PODS delivered and used to store the furniture, but will wait to hear what the carpet guy says he needs.

I have no complaints about the insurance company. They have been very helpful and courteous. I'm guessing their final payout will be $3000 or less. That's not a big check. I've been a customer for 10 years and this represents about two year's premiums. They're still way ahead in this game.

Sounds like yours ended up pretty cheap. We'll see how we fair with State Farm. I came home Tuseday night from work to a house fire. Wasn't bad, pretty much just the sofa/sectional. We had a reptile terrarium which sat on one of the chair sections and the terrarium heater shorted out and caught fire. I came home just in time. The fire department felt another 15-20 minutes and we could have lost the whole house. I priced an equivilent sectional the other day at $8900.:confused2: Glad we have replacement value insurance. I paid $4200 for the sectional 19 years ago.

JB4310 · Feb 26, 2011

jinman said:
I have no complaints about the insurance company. They have been very helpful and courteous. I'm guessing their final payout will be $3000 or less. That's not a big check. I've been a customer for 10 years and this represents about two year's premiums. They're still way ahead in this game.

Glad to hear it should work out OK for you, Homeowners insurance for the most part is fair, you hear horror stories once in awhile, but on average their pretty decent. That stove should make a nice comfy addition to the room.

dcyrilc said:
Sounds like yours ended up pretty cheap. We'll see how we fair with State Farm. I came home Tuseday night from work to a house fire. Wasn't bad, pretty much just the sofa/sectional. We had a reptile terrarium which sat on one of the chair sections and the terrarium heater shorted out and caught fire. I came home just in time. The fire department felt another 15-20 minutes and we could have lost the whole house. I priced an equivilent sectional the other day at $8900.:confused2: Glad we have replacement value insurance. I paid $4200 for the sectional 19 years ago.

What a difference 15 minutes could make, just being out a sofa or being homeless. Man that was lucky!

But $8,900. for a couch? I guess I haven't been in the furniture stores for awhile, or at least not the stores you shop in

JB.

Obed · Feb 26, 2011

JB4310 said:
What a difference 15 minutes could make, just being out a sofa or being homeless. Man that was lucky!

But $8,900. for a couch? I guess I haven't been in the furniture stores for awhile, or at least not the stores you shop in

JB.

Wow, that's more than the cars I drive.
Obed

Western · Feb 26, 2011

Jim,

What are you going to put under the stove?

dcyrilc · Feb 27, 2011

JB4310 said:
What a difference 15 minutes could make, just being out a sofa or being homeless. Man that was lucky!

But $8,900. for a couch? I guess I haven't been in the furniture stores for awhile, or at least not the stores you shop in

JB.

I like quality. Can't usually afford it any more, but I still like it. Our sectional was about the highest quality made when I bought it back in '92. Our adjuster asked me if we bought it last year or the year before. They were suprised when I informed them that it was 19 years old. The cool part is that it was is still under warrenty.

Too bad they don't warrenty fire damage.:laughing:

yooper jim · Feb 27, 2011

Wow....... I sure don't want my wife reading this. I think I could refurnish most of my house for that, but I still think a 3/4 ton pickup should be less than $2000. :laughing:

Obed · Feb 27, 2011

yooper jim said:
Wow....... I sure don't want my wife reading this.

That's exactly what I was thinking. We just moved into our new house and have almost no furniture in the living room. I've encouraged my wife to find used furniture on Craig's list. I'm looking for couch and loveseat for around $300. You guys don't think I'm cheap do you?
Obed

Bird · Feb 27, 2011

Obed said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. We just moved into our new house and have almost no furniture in the living room. I've encouraged my wife to find used furniture on Craig's list. I'm looking for couch and loveseat for around $300. You guys don't think I'm cheap do you?
Obed

When we bought our first house (1968), after living in a furnished apartment, I knew of a place in Dallas that sold new, used, antique, and junk furniture. The owner also ran estate sales, which is where he got a lot of the stuff. So we furnished the whole house from that store.

Are you cheap? Maybe so, but I think you're smart.

I would never buy anything like what dcyrilc bought, but if a sofa lasted 19 years, he liked it, and could afford it, I say more power to him.

jinman · Feb 27, 2011

Obed said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. We just moved into our new house and have almost no furniture in the living room. I've encouraged my wife to find used furniture on Craig's list. I'm looking for couch and loveseat for around $300. You guys don't think I'm cheap do you?
Obed

Hey! I have a fun idea. Let's all look for our favorite

pieces of furniture on craigslist and post links for Obed.

I think he needs a deep pile shag rug, a disco ball, and some bright purple and green furniture.

animal print

purple shelf

yellow chairs

great purple couch

HEY LET"S ALL HELP OUR BUDDY, OBED.:laughing::laughing::laughing:

rrrkkk · Feb 27, 2011

JB4310 said:
I'm also sorry about your flooded basement.

Being a waterproofing contractor I've seen it all, you mentioned stepping off the bottom step, A guy I worked for said he had water up to his top step!

I can tell you most people who have the one time flood as you have don't have to replace the carpet, they can dry it with fans and dehumidifiers. They will lift it to blow the fans under it, with no pad it would dry in pretty short order and would have no damage.

In your case you will probably want the drywall replaced up to 12" or so and need the wood trim replaced if it's stained, so the rug would have to be removed to facilitate that work. If insurance covers everything, great, you go that route. But I've seen more times than not where homes have had that much water and they don't even call insurance company, just dry it out and life goes on.

Mold or mildew need a cellulose base material to grow, wood frame and the paper on the drywall are areas of concern. Most likely with a one time occurrence like that you wouldn't have to worry but in certain environments especially down south, dangerous molds can grow.
There is a spray on material that could be applied inside the walls as opposed to cutting out the drywall to replace it.

I'm curious how the insurance company will handle your case, most likely they will cover everything, home owners adjusters are usually pretty liberal, often they are paid based on a percentage of the claim, talk about conflict of interest.

Good Luck, JB