Update on my pole barn project

[rick1ryan]

Wanted to drop back by and thank you guys for the advice you'd given me on my pole barn project. I took the advice here and hired a builder for this 40X90X10 structure. They still have 1 more side of roofing to put on but it should be completed by next week. I ended up doing 26 gauge galvalume, metal trussing, bubble insulation with 2 foot overhangs all the way around. I currently have 2 loads of crusher run and having a 3rd delivered today. Will then compact, build forms and have a concrete floor poured (hiring this out as well). The building project ended up at $19,000 with concrete adding another $8,000. The area has a lot of sandstone and there were 3 poles where they could only get 18 inches into the ground. The rest are 3'-4' deep and pretty much all the poles ended up on solid rock. Shouldn't have any settling issues. Just wanted to share and say thank you.

 

[EddieWalker]

That looks really good!!!! Will you add walls in the future?

I've been looking at that type of metal trusses and pricing them out with different local suppliers. Where did you get yours and what does each one cost?

I'm also curious what your height is at the cross member that is bracing, or holding the trusses together compared to the eave height? Or maybe a better way to ask this is much clearance do you have at your eaves and how much clearance do you have to go under your trusses?

Thanks for posting.

 

[rick1ryan]

I have no idea on the truss costs. I paid $19k for everything; materials and construction. I've priced out 40' trusses at around $450 each (Prices SteelBarnTruss.com). It's 10' at the edges. I'm guessing the bracings are 12'. I'm guessing it's about 14'-15' at the center. One decision I'm very happy with is the 2' overhang, all the way around the building. I'm hoping this will keep rain away from the foundation. As for closing it in, yes, I'm going to be closing it in, probably this fall. We have weddings running all the way thru October (not at this venue), but I have Nov-Dec pretty much open to work on that next phase. Oh yea, this is going to be a wedding venue event building, FYI.

 

[747driver]

Looks great ! You will be happy that you went this route. Are you going to put shear bracing on those post walls and across the open ends so there is no danger of the building racking ? Thats allot of open surface area under the roof when high winds come up until you can get the walls enclosed. Thanks for updating and sharing !!

 

[rick1ryan]

I asked the builder about needing some metal bars to cross-brace but he just declares that I don't need it. Do you have any recommendations on how to do the wall braces? I'm intending to put 2X6s, horizontally, between the poles and use that to attach the siding. The builder had suggested this and called it "shelving". Any thoughts?

 

[747driver]

I wouldn't want to leave it unbraced for 3 to 4 months before I can start the siding. Will the builder guaranty the building stays square until the siding goes up ? You can just go ahead and install the 'girts'...2x6s, now while the building is square. Never heard of it called 'shelving'. Or you could just put up some 2x4s in a X grid on each end and in the middle until your ready for the permanent girts. Many pole barn builders will use chains to pull and keep the frame square until the siding goes on. Don't know if where you live has high winds or not but if you do you will be surprised how much that frame will move if not braced. I follow a YouTube channel..R and R Buildings ....this guy builds great pole barns, might help you get some good pointers in finishing your barn.

 

[rick1ryan]

I'm planning to go ahead and start putting the siding on immediately. Might take a few weeks or a month, but I'm going to go ahead and get it installed. There is wind, but nothing terribly serious. I have a tree buffer on one side, so that helps.

 

[texasranger556]

Bookshelf method from what I've read is notching the girts into the posts horizontally so you can nail interior and exterior walls to the inner and outer edge of the "shelf". Drawback is it takes more time to install that way.

Bookshelf Girts >> Commercial Girts

Nice looking building. I'm jealous

 

[747driver]

I'm planning to go ahead and start putting the siding on immediately. Might take a few weeks or a month, but I'm going to go ahead and get it installed. There is wind, but nothing terribly serious. I have a tree buffer on one side, so that helps.

You will thank yourself for going ahead and just getting the siding installed now !!

 

[EddieWalker]

Why not install vertical studs between your posts once the concrete is poured? Then attach OSB to the outside, which will lock the walls together and make the building very sturdy. Then you can wrap it and install your siding over the OSB. This will make your life easy for your interior walls, windows, insulation and electrical.

 

[930dreamer]

That's a good looking building you have, what are you plans for the shop?

 

[fried1765]

That's a good looking building you have, what are you plans for the shop?

Didn't the OP state that his... "plans for the shop"

Are..."weddings"???

 

[oosik]

WoW!!! Am I ever envious. I've never seen those metal trusses before. That is one fine looking structure.

 

[wwdiii]

I like those trusses and the 2x4's for the roof are interesting. Someone knows what they are doing. I need to learn more about what you did.

 

[dragoneggs]

Personally, I would stay away from 'book shelving'. Vertical will not trap dust/debri that will build up over time. Less places for nests, etc. Also running any electrical will be more difficult as well.

 

[rick1ryan]

Why not install vertical studs between your posts once the concrete is poured? Then attach OSB to the outside, which will lock the walls together and make the building very sturdy. Then you can wrap it and install your siding over the OSB. This will make your life easy for your interior walls, windows, insulation and electrical.

I was initially planning on vertical but the builder convinced me that horizontal was easier/quicker. My intention is to do a plastic wrap, install the studs, then attach wood siding (1 layer). Budget is tight-tight and I don't have an extra $3k to put on another layer now.

 

[Loaderman22]

Even if your siding will be in the next month or so, I am with 747Driver, get some diagonals or "x" bracing on the posts now when you can. A lot harder to straighten later. If you put them on the interior, it shouldn't mess up your siding work. Get a bunch of nails into the 2x4 ends also, as only 1 nail doesn't stop the racking, just turns them into pivot points. You can then reuse the 2X4's later for blocking after all the sheathing is on. I like what you've done, I need something like that for all my "toys".

 

[rick1ryan]

Even if your siding will be in the next month or so, I am with 747Driver, get some diagonals or "x" bracing on the posts now when you can. A lot harder to straighten later. If you put them on the interior, it shouldn't mess up your siding work. Get a bunch of nails into the 2x4 ends also, as only 1 nail doesn't stop the racking, just turns them into pivot points. You can then reuse the 2X4's later for blocking after all the sheathing is on. I like what you've done, I need something like that for all my "toys".

I'm planning on starting with the side panels, at least on one side, this Saturday. If I got, say, 3-4 sections filled in with studs/siding, do you think that's enough support (for now) or would you still recommend installing bracing posts, perhaps on the other side? BTW, this weekend is going to be hectic. I have 2 tours confirmed with brides-to-be and possibly a 3rd. Man, this thing is kinda taking off a lot faster than I expected it to.

 

[rick1ryan]

Didn't the OP state that his... "plans for the shop"

Are..."weddings"???

This is an event building for a wedding venue. I'm planning to enclose the sides with plastic sheeting, add wood siding (4'x8' panels), insulation and then add drywall on the inside. The final structure will be completely sealed and HVAC installed (6, 38k BTU mini-split systems).

 

[Loaderman22]

I'm planning on starting with the side panels, at least on one side, this Saturday. If I got, say, 3-4 sections filled in with studs/siding, do you think that's enough support (for now) or would you still recommend installing bracing posts, perhaps on the other side? BTW, this weekend is going to be hectic. I have 2 tours confirmed with brides-to-be and possibly a 3rd. Man, this thing is kinda taking off a lot faster than I expected it to.

IMO I would get "x" bracing on the last section on each side at least, the 2x roof "purlins" should hold the rest? Then some ties, cables, or heavy duty straps on the gable ends couldnt hurt. (Tying one side to the other side) Ever have an old screen door that sagged over time, then somebody put a diagonal cable or furring strip to hold the latch end up? Same concept, Triangles are strong, squares & "U" shapes with joints are typically not. But I am open to thoughts by the rest of the people here...