Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #301  
Going to be very, very difficult indeed to stem the flow of US-origin firearms to Mexico (and to a slightly lesser extent, to Haiti).

US citizens have the constitutional right to buy firearms and ammunition subject to minimal restrictions - need a background check, wait a few days, show proof of age for ammo, I think California limits the number of firearms you can buy in a certain time period, and the capacity of magazines. All in all, the restrictions are quite minimal. I have no problem with my neighbor who has a seriously huge stash of ammo, and a good friend of mine (very recently deceased, medical issue) had a 20 foot container on his property STUFFED with long guns, which he had been collecting for years.

The reason the cartels and Haitian gangs are able to easily buy US origin firearms is that once I buy a gun, there are essentially no restrictions on how long I have to keep it or who I can sell it to, trade it to, or even give it to.

So the cartel needs a gun, they find a US citizen who has lost his job, is behind on his mortgage/rent/credit cards/car payment or has a medical problem - or all of the above - and they say to him "We'll pay you $XXX to buy us a firearm and we'll pay for it as well." Everything the US buyer does is 100% legal.

Multiply by 10,000 or more . . . a month. Remember, the cartels have LOTS of cash, they pay no taxes, the cost of their product is low and it sells for a lot, and they sell a LOT of it so paying someone to procure the "tools of the trade" isn't a problem for them.

Now they have to move the guns to the destination. They seem to be pretty good at moving things INTO the US, they're likely at least as good at moving things OUT of the US, especially if they can bribe (or blackmail) a customs official in the destination country - again, not a problem for the cartels, the official is also broke and his government can't protect him or his family. Path of least resistance (and probably survival) is to look the other way.

I don't know "the answer" for this, but I'd be curious as to why someone bought ten AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammunition. There must be some VERY aggressive deer and prairie dogs in this guys' neighborhood . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

Sounds like the punks selling drugs in the Badlands in North Philly, just 35 miles from my nice rural/suburban home.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #302  
The US Government is the largest source of weapons for Mexican cartels.

Remember Fast and Furious? 2009-2011? Where the US intentionally sold military grade weapons to illegal buyers? Those weapons went on to be used in crimes on the border.

Cartels use military grade weapons, not US consumer grade weapons. Very few sources of military hardware 🤔

Wasn’t it Border Patrolman Brian Terry who was murdered with one of those fast & furious weapons.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #303  
Been done to death in the "You may love/hate this idea" thread and no one's mind was changed 😆
For sure but im sure the poster and several others didnt know this. Critical thinking is hard b/c it requires you to ask questions of both sides. If you are a loyalist and I gather most here are. Then you are right
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #304  
FBI, ATF AG HHS ????? They make announcements about how we should be aware but activity in the arrest and prosecution stage seems scarce?

Is this just a problem that isn't a problem unless it becomes a negotiating point for political posturing? Pretty pathetic, Long past time for an honest transparent cleansing.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #306  
So why do webmasters disallow free speech? It's pretty easy to say something in disagreement just so it's said in a polite manor and without hate toward others or using fowl language. The word tariff in itself is political, it comes via political decisions made by politicians.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #307  
The tariff's are suppose to help the american businesses
to bring the cheap products to be comparable to U.S.
made products??

Some of the congress rep's want to send in the military
to wipe out the kartell

willy
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #308  
The tariffs may add some fixed costs to tractors, but that cost will most likely be far less than the decrease resulting from the restoration of American energy independence.

We should be seeing the price of oil drop back below $ 40 per barrel by June, 2025 after the pipelines thru Canada are reopened and drilling is resumed on Federal lands. That will more than cut fuel costs in half, saving much on transportation.
Trump is doing the crash prevention method to boost the economy. If he does away with income taxes, he will be a hero to all. Hope they do away with a lot of agencies that are nothing but regulatory agencies, EVERYTHING does not need to be regulated.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #309  
Just in my short tenure all kinds of new fees and inspections instituted...

We now pay a fee based on how many cubic feet of Oxygen the Hospital keeps on site.

Also, pay a fee per emergency generator on site.

Pay a fee to have implant tissue in the cryo freezer.

Pay a fee to have a 50psi air compressor for the HVAC system.

Pay a storm water fee based on size of the parking lot.

I could go on and on...
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #310  
Inflation rate is an overall average of many things, not just groceries. Some things are obviously selling for a lot more than the average rate, while other things haven’t increased as much.
Please tell me what has not risen as much. Not anything I buy!!!
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #311  
Trump is doing the crash prevention method to boost the economy. If he does away with income taxes, he will be a hero to all. Hope they do away with a lot of agencies that are nothing but regulatory agencies, EVERYTHING does not need to be regulated.
Doing away with all income taxes would result in much higher sales taxes and fees for just about everything. Nothing is free.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #312  
In the ideal world, the playing field is level and competition is fair. The idea of tariffs is for the threat to get cooperation from the targeted offender. The President can't sooth your concerns, as that would reduce the implied threat. IE... if Mexico cooperates with immigration or cracks down on cartels, reduced or no tariffs. If China opens it's markets to US Goods taxed or prohibited, reduced tariffs. Canada is a puzzle to me, so I obviously don't completely understand that. The best overall benefit is if the importer finds a US source for the product that taxed, perhaps a little more expensive, but more benefits to our economy.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #313  
I didn't want to mention any names because I don't want to start a flame war.

This was intended as a non-partisan comment on tariffs in general (which we may or may not get, I am not sure they can be imposed by executive order).

If you really want to be bored out of your mind, look up the Smoot-Hawley tariff act of 1930 which raised US import tariffs across the board to between 40 and 60 percent. The result of this was retaliatory tariffs, resulting in as much as a 30% loss in US exports. International trade dropped tremendously. Smoot-Hawley was one of the causes of the great depression, and the depression didn't end until mobilization at the start of WW2.

(If you don't learn from history, you are going to repeat it.)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
Just a reminder…. Prices are up with the president administration greater than 20% without tariffs. Again, not mentioning names to avoid a political debate.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #314  
These tariffs will level the playing field for American manufacturers. China identifies a product market in the US that they want to destroy and take over. Their government designates that market’s manufacturers to receive assistance from them so they can drastically undercut the existing market. Once the American manufacturers are put out of business, they then own that market and raise prices to their liking. I’m all for protecting America and our workers and workforce. If you want to really help America, get rid of the Teamsters union, et al.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #315  
Please tell me what has not risen as much. Not anything I buy!!!
The price of commercial real estate is in the dumps… down 60 to 80% in my city…

Building Lots also down.

Actually looking to sell a commercial property and the drop in value from just a few years ago is sobering.

Residential rents are also down slightly…
 
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/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #316  
Doing away with all income taxes would result in much higher sales taxes and fees for just about everything. Nothing is free.
Not necessarily during the next administration, they could just keep kicking the can down the road.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #318  
So where is all of the new money going? We know that it is going FROM the customer/consumer to the same place as always. Will wages rise too? Be careful what you ask for. Farmers and ranchers around me are still recovering from the last round of tariffs. More profit for the lenders too.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #319  
It is amazing half doesn't understand, and the other half doesn't care. In other words, they approve of the
rape and murder and all the other things that are going on that are part of this. And if they knew as much as the thought, they did they wouldn't say anything. The tariffs started eight years ago, and most were left intact and not removed by the soon to be past president. And as for new ones to are north and south are stop illegals from coming into country. As for China it is to even up the playing field and also to stop the drug flow from there in case you don't know that is where the fentanyl comes from.
 
/ Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #320  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20% and more on anything imported from anywhere.

What does this mean for us here at TBN?

Unless tractors, accessories, attachments and parts get an exemption ("necessary services" or something), prices of imported tractors are going to go up by at least 20%. If we finance, payments will go up, since the tractors cost more, insurance (if applicable) will also go up.

Prices for used tractors will also go up (as if they aren't high enough already), just like the prices of used cars rose almost in lock-step with the increased prices and limited availability (from Covid) did on new cars.

As tractors become more and more expensive, we will either keep what we have longer or if we are in a business that relies on tractors, we will have to raise our prices when tractors and parts become significantly more expensive. Fewer tractors will be sold, because WE don't get a 20% raise to compensate for the 20% price increase from the tariffs.

Anyone who uses a tractor as a service (land clearing, mowing, etc.) will also have to raise their prices because their costs just increased.

This all means higher prices for lots of people, many of whom don't even realize there is a tractor somewhere in the "food chain" of goods and services they buy.

This affects Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, some John Deere, and others. Deere moved part of their production to Mexico to keep the retail price down, and if they decide to come back, their prices will have to go up.

The issues with across the board tariffs are that they increase the cost of anything imported and WE pay these tariffs, not the manufacturers. Tariffs are a tax on US, and they are intended to discourage us from buying imported things, whether or not those things are even produced or available domestically.

A further problem is that when a domestic manufacturer is protected by arbitrary tariffs, they have ZERO incentive to improve their products (because there is no competition) and their prices can rise (again, because there is no competition). You may recall the "invasion" of Japanese cars in the 80s - Detroit had become totally complacent, and protected by tariffs, continued making and selling the same crappy cars they had been making for years. Eventually, they all went broke and had to be bailed out by the government, using OUR tax dollars to do it. (Yes, they eventually paid back most of the loans, and lots of jobs were saved. We may have to do it again because the current crop of Chinese electric cars are very good indeed, and amazingly inexpensive because they often are subsidized by their government.)

Arbitrary tariffs are a mistake. There is, however a rationale for targeted tariffs. If an overseas company is "dumping" their product at or below cost to put a domestic competitor out of business, that is a legitimate reason for a tariff. Interestingly, if it two domestic companies engage in a price war, there is no law against that, and in fact, it happens all the time.

After WW2, the US was the only real market for anything, nobody else had any money and they were busy rebuilding from the war. Now, however, there are lots of countries that can afford to buy imported stuff, and it might be very tempting to a tractor manufacturer (and not just to tractor manufacturers) to abandon what they see as a "hostile" market and sell to customers around the world instead.

Some of them MAY establish factories here, as Honda and Toyota have done, but some of them are simply going to say the US market just isn't worth the trouble and sell elsewhere. Establishing a local factory isn't done overnight, either.

In the interim, we'll have higher prices (new and used) and a narrower selection.

There is an old Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times." We do.

(Kevlar and fireproof suit on!)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

The greatest thing is we live in a country where we can chose who to buy from.
If imported goods are cheaper than the US made products, then people buy imports and US producers suffer, shut down or shift work overseas.
If imported goods are more expensive than US products, then US producers will hire more people to meet demand helping citizens.
More jobs means competitive wages to attract and keep workers.
 
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