Tesla pickup, possibly

[4570Man]

nope. i wouldnt want it if they gave it to me for free. ok, yea, for free id take it, sell it, and buy me a ram 3500.

Same here. I wouldn’t be caught dead driving that thing.

 

[CincyFlyer]

Musk has big plans but Tesla has a problem called "reality".

Elon Musk's Tesla faces make-or-break year in 218

You do know that each of the last three years was "Tesla's make-or-break year"?

 

[Thomas]

So much for the 3 speed on the column shift for those can remember.

 

[two_bit_score]

Based on that rendering--Ah, nope for me.

Musk has big plans but Tesla has a problem called "reality".

Elon Musk's Tesla faces make-or-break year in 218

Let’s look past all of the obvious problems for a minute. Who in the heck would drive that thing?

Looks like a truck that was designed and would be driven by Richard Simmons.



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[patrick_g]

There is no best pickup. There may be a pickup most closely filling someone's narrowly defined set of requirements. Different folks, different requirements, different best fit. The real question isn't what can we think of that the Tesla pickup doesn't do well, but instead, what does it do well enough to make it a good solution to satisfying a set of requirements. What requirements does it satisfy well and what percent of potential buyers/users would have their requirements sufficiently satisfied?

Musk is clearly no fool. He didn't get his pile of gold by accident. To arbitrarily put down something he is thinking of spending many millions on without a little more thought than evidenced so far is not useful.

The question he answered is, are there sufficient buyers out there who will have their requirements met to make this truck a profitable venture.

He also makes rockets and carts stuff to the international space station. I don't need anything carted to the ISS but that doesn't make his rocket a bad thing, it just doesn't meet my requirements (especially budget.)

If I had the $ to use and not cut back on things I actually need I would be driving a Tesla.

What about the all electric replacement for 18 wheeler type cargo hauling? Lots of smart folks have signed up in advance to get some. Walmart is on board with advance deposits. Walmart is not known for wasting much money. What do they know that some of us may be missing?

Maybe some of us would be more inclined to want an electric pickup if the onboard sound system filled the cab with real testosterone/adrenaline pumping synthesized turbo diesel with open exhaust noises. Surely convenience store/gas stations would stock replacements for the little pine scented air fresheners with the new diesel exhaust and burning rubber scent.

Patrick (don't bother flaming me I have my flame retardant nomex long handles on.)

 

[Egon]

Don't some vehicles already have a sound enhanced muffler system for enhanced presence?

 

[Garandman]

Let’s look past all of the obvious problems for a minute. Who in the heck would drive that thing?

In city deliveries where you spend a lot of time idling at stoplights and don’t need much range, they may work.

A lot of taxis in Boston are hybrids like Camrys. They average double or more mpg than gas models, and are holding up well.

 

[timswi]

So much for the 3 speed on the column shift for those can remember.

Three on the tree...Yup that might make it more appealing--Doubt it.

 

[Stimw]

So much for the 3 speed on the column shift for those can remember.

Why did they put it up there?? It worked just fine sticking out of the floor for many years!!

Coal powered cars, Semi's and now Pick Up's!
Try running your Dryer all night and look at the electric bill! Then run it every night so you can drive tomorrow.
Of course the Government will give away electric to subsidize. Oh wait, that guy is gone.

 

[timswi]

Why did they put it up there?? It worked just fine sticking out of the floor for many years!!

Coal powered cars, Semi's and now Pick Up's!
Try running your Dryer all night and look at the electric bill! Then run it every night so you can drive tomorrow.
Of course the Government will give away electric to subsidize. Oh wait, that guy is gone.

You are correct! :drink:

 

[handirifle]

I am sure Wal MArt is looking at the semi's because 1. Wal Mart can afford them, 2. Wal Mart can afford to put battery stations across the country because that is the ONLY way they can operate. That is a LOT of $$$ invested just to say you're running electric trucks. Instead of stopping for fuel, they swap batteries so the truck does not have to stay overnight.

Now for the MILLIONS of drivers in the country, who is going to stock batteries for them, and at what cost?

What they do NOT advertise is how fast that battery drains if you are not always in eco mode. Every pass, every fast run up an on ramp costs in battery life, far bigger penalty that for a gas or diesel powered car.

The Tesla S can get to about 140mph but only run there for 18 min before the computer cuts it to safe mode to prevent melting the motor and battery. So what mode will semi's have to go to after climbing the passes of mountain ranges?

The scariest part of the whole deal, is Tesla still has not turned a corporate profit. Having said all that, let me qualify it by saying I have a Tesla solar system and Powerwall battery on my house. It is mine, not a lease, and it concerns me to wonder if they will be around to warranty the battery.

The Tesla company operates on government subsidies, investors and sales, and they still can't turn a profit? It's like a subsidized ponze scheme to me.

Here in CA only the wealthy buy them. I don't want one now or ever, personally. Greenies act like they are soooo clean, but care less, or are ignorant, of where CA has to buy the electricity from. There is a coal fired power plant in AZ that is on Indian reservation, that produces electricity solely to CA.

Solar power plants eat HUGE acreage of CA land and are eyesores, as well as the windmills. They are forcing the closure of PG&E's Diablo nuclear power plant and I can guarantee you they will buy electricity from elsewhere to replace it. In addition they are tying it up in court to make PG&E pay millions to account for the lost income to the San Luis Obispo County area for all the workers that will be laid off.

SO yea, I'm all in for electric vehicles....NOT. It's a scam pushed on us by the government and those that control them because there is money to be made by forcing all of us to be dependent on them even more.

 

[vvanders]

How is it more dependent vs refining gasoline/diesel? You can run a solar array and be 100% self sufficient.

Over here in WA all our power is hydro, last I checked it was 7% fossil fuel based including natural gas.

Tesla makes very little off of zev credits these days and incentives are ending soon. They aren't posting a profit since they're reinvesting in tooling. Their books are public and you can look at it all there. Amazon was the same way for years and now look how large they are.

 

[4570Man]

I am sure Wal MArt is looking at the semi's because 1. Wal Mart can afford them, 2. Wal Mart can afford to put battery stations across the country because that is the ONLY way they can operate. That is a LOT of $$$ invested just to say you're running electric trucks. Instead of stopping for fuel, they swap batteries so the truck does not have to stay overnight.

Now for the MILLIONS of drivers in the country, who is going to stock batteries for them, and at what cost?

What they do NOT advertise is how fast that battery drains if you are not always in eco mode. Every pass, every fast run up an on ramp costs in battery life, far bigger penalty that for a gas or diesel powered car.

The Tesla S can get to about 140mph but only run there for 18 min before the computer cuts it to safe mode to prevent melting the motor and battery. So what mode will semi's have to go to after climbing the passes of mountain ranges?

The scariest part of the whole deal, is Tesla still has not turned a corporate profit. Having said all that, let me qualify it by saying I have a Tesla solar system and Powerwall battery on my house. It is mine, not a lease, and it concerns me to wonder if they will be around to warranty the battery.

The Tesla company operates on government subsidies, investors and sales, and they still can't turn a profit? It's like a subsidized ponze scheme to me.

Here in CA only the wealthy buy them. I don't want one now or ever, personally. Greenies act like they are soooo clean, but care less, or are ignorant, of where CA has to buy the electricity from. There is a coal fired power plant in AZ that is on Indian reservation, that produces electricity solely to CA.

Solar power plants eat HUGE acreage of CA land and are eyesores, as well as the windmills. They are forcing the closure of PG&E's Diablo nuclear power plant and I can guarantee you they will buy electricity from elsewhere to replace it. In addition they are tying it up in court to make PG&E pay millions to account for the lost income to the San Luis Obispo County area for all the workers that will be laid off.

SO yea, I'm all in for electric vehicles....NOT. It's a scam pushed on us by the government and those that control them because there is money to be made by forcing all of us to be dependent on them even more.

Just because they can afford it doesn’t mean they’re going to throw money away. They’ll run the cheaper to operate truck for obvious reasons.

 

[two_bit_score]

I am sure Wal MArt is looking at the semi's because 1. Wal Mart can afford them, 2. Wal Mart can afford to put battery stations across the country because that is the ONLY way they can operate. That is a LOT of $$$ invested just to say you're running electric trucks. Instead of stopping for fuel, they swap batteries so the truck does not have to stay overnight.

Now for the MILLIONS of drivers in the country, who is going to stock batteries for them, and at what cost?

What they do NOT advertise is how fast that battery drains if you are not always in eco mode. Every pass, every fast run up an on ramp costs in battery life, far bigger penalty that for a gas or diesel powered car.

The Tesla S can get to about 140mph but only run there for 18 min before the computer cuts it to safe mode to prevent melting the motor and battery. So what mode will semi's have to go to after climbing the passes of mountain ranges?

The scariest part of the whole deal, is Tesla still has not turned a corporate profit. Having said all that, let me qualify it by saying I have a Tesla solar system and Powerwall battery on my house. It is mine, not a lease, and it concerns me to wonder if they will be around to warranty the battery.

The Tesla company operates on government subsidies, investors and sales, and they still can't turn a profit? It's like a subsidized ponze scheme to me.

Here in CA only the wealthy buy them. I don't want one now or ever, personally. Greenies act like they are soooo clean, but care less, or are ignorant, of where CA has to buy the electricity from. There is a coal fired power plant in AZ that is on Indian reservation, that produces electricity solely to CA.

Solar power plants eat HUGE acreage of CA land and are eyesores, as well as the windmills. They are forcing the closure of PG&E's Diablo nuclear power plant and I can guarantee you they will buy electricity from elsewhere to replace it. In addition they are tying it up in court to make PG&E pay millions to account for the lost income to the San Luis Obispo County area for all the workers that will be laid off.

SO yea, I'm all in for electric vehicles....NOT. It's a scam pushed on us by the government and those that control them because there is money to be made by forcing all of us to be dependent on them even more.

Seems to me Tesla and bitcoin are the same kind of scam.

 

[buickanddeere]

Musk is a salesman

 

[two_bit_score]

Musk is a salesman

Con artist

 

[timswi]

How is it more dependent vs refining gasoline/diesel? You can run a solar array and be 100% self sufficient.

Over here in WA all our power is hydro, last I checked it was 7% fossil fuel based including natural gas.

Tesla makes very little off of zev credits these days and incentives are ending soon. They aren't posting a profit since they're reinvesting in tooling. Their books are public and you can look at it all there. Amazon was the same way for years and now look how large they are.

Amazon was never dependent on the government, Tesla is. Amazon's income was re-invested in the business--There is still concern in the investment community about the profit issue there, but they will live or die on their own. Big isn't always better.

 

[vvanders]

Amazon was never dependent on the government, Tesla is. Amazon's income was re-invested in the business--There is still concern in the investment community about the profit issue there, but they will live or die on their own. Big isn't always better.

My point is for years people were saying the same thing about Amazon, deferring profits for future marketshare is a viable path. Tesla could drop the Model 3 and make profitability today, however then they'll never make more than ~200k cars a year.

It's not like Tesla has some unique deal with the government, the programs they use are available to any manufacturer.

 

[vvanders]

Seems to me Tesla and bitcoin are the same kind of scam.

Not that I'm any fan of bitcoin(or any blockchain, I've yet to see a viable use for them) but I can't tell if you're posing this just to get a rise or if you really don't understand the basics of cryptography.

 

[aczlan]

I am sure Wal MArt is looking at the semi's because 1. Wal Mart can afford them, 2. Wal Mart can afford to put battery stations across the country because that is the ONLY way they can operate. That is a LOT of $$$ invested just to say you're running electric trucks. Instead of stopping for fuel, they swap batteries so the truck does not have to stay overnight.

I suspect that Walmart and others will be using these on routes where their trucks run from a regional warehouse to stores that are close enough for the truck to get back to the warehouse and park each night.

Aaron Z