sunk jinma

Soundguy · Aug 4, 2005

I was taking a seal kit out to our mechanic on the job yesterday, And had to drive down a few back roads in a very rural farming community. Access path for our job is back behind a bunch of farms, and we are more or less driving thru old cow pastures.. etc. Ground was a bit soft. My dodge truck was sinking 6" easilly. Had to keep moving.. thought 4wd was gonna be needed in the non-grassed areas. On my way in.. I noticed a canopy behind a set of hedges.. I thought it was a tad big to be a lawnmower canopy.. but it was setting sort of low. On my way out.. I drove by the hedgerow and leaned over.

I saw a jinma.. ( didn't get model number.. but looke dto be a 2xx unit.. had 4wd.. was high centered.. tires well muddied. Owner must have abandoned it there to let the place dry up.

There were a bunch of other tractors at other farms..Ford 7000, cut MF, etc.. but most were parked.. The only one I saw actually traversing the muck was a 70's model JD.. looke dto be a hi-clearance model... Aparently the tires were tall enough to simply dig furrows and hit hard ground 6"-8" down. For the most part.. looked like all the tire tracks from the pasture were heading out! Guess the poor owner of the jinma missed the rain report that day!

I sure hope it dry's up some. . the tractor was clean looking except for the knee deep mud... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy

ByronBob · Aug 4, 2005

You can bounce a golfball off the ground here in WNY and have it hit you in the head. Dry as a bone here.

Is this common for Fla this time of year to sink tractors in the mud?

hbaird · Aug 4, 2005

A close boyhood friend had an uncle sink a D6 Cat about 300 yards from their home in northwest LA. There was a series of photos showing the event from tread down to the seat top vanishing into the sandy mud. The area abounds in wet weather springs and very sandy soil going down hundreds of feet. And yes, the Cat was lost.
Harold

SkyPup · Aug 4, 2005

We just had 3.5" of deluge in less than 90 minutes last night about 4:30-6:00PM and a tornado (actually a waterspout since it is now flooded) spotted out on Paynes Prairie. This makes over 9 inces of rain in the last week just from thunderstorm supercells.

Can't wait for the 18-21 named tropical storms and hurricanes that NOAA is predicting..... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Soundguy · Aug 4, 2005

Yep.. for all of may and some of july we had rain every day.. then had 2 weeks to dry out.. now it's raining every day.. or every other day again.

Yep.. can't wait for the tornado's and hurricanes.. etc /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Soundguy

JINMA224XR · Aug 4, 2005

My dodge truck was sinking 6" easilly. Had to keep moving.. On my way in..
I saw a jinma.. ( didn't get model number.. but looked to be a 2xx unit.. had 4wd.. was high centered.. tires well muddied. Owner must have abandoned it there to let the place dry up.

There were a bunch of other tractors at other farms..Ford 7000, cut MF, etc.. but most were parked.. The only one I saw actually traversing the muck was a 70's model JD.. looked to be a hi-clearance model... Aparently the tires were tall enough to simply dig furrows and hit hard ground 6"-8" down. 

Hey SoundGuy,

It is always interesting to read your posts. Especially on 4Wd's and Jinma's.

It sure would have been nice if you could have given us more information, as to what exactly the type of work was trying to be performed in Knee Deep Mud . Did the Jinma have a frontend loader? What type of equipment was on the Rear of the Tractor?

On my days long ago, working on the farm, we used the 2wd Tall Rear wheeled tractors, sometimes, to cut water furrows in the fields, with the wheels/tires, to help drain the standing water off, but it was tricky type work, and we had to go backwards, as the front end would bury up in the mud.

Was the JD, 2wd or 4wd?, going frontwards or backwards thru the Knee Deep Mud?

I have no idea, what the Jinma Operator, was trying to accomplish, in those Wet Soil conditions, but it sounds like maybe, an inexperienced operator. The Jinma Tractors with their extremely low pricing is enableing lots and lots of first time tractor buyers to get into the market, and are learning as they go. Which is a good thing IMHO.

As far as seeing stuck tractors. I have seen personally many more 2wd's stuck, than I have seen 4wd's stuck.

Keep your eyes on those Jinma's though, they are selling almost as fast as they can unload them off the boats @ New Orleans. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Get your Tractors Running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

TruChaos · Aug 5, 2005

I can remember riding dirt bikes as a teenager. We would pass a local swamp near my house. One day as we passed it, we saw a 4x4 stuck to the axles in the mud (the dirt bikers knew to stay out of that swamp). Then later, we saw a tow truck stuck up to it's axles, then a second tow truck stuck to it's axles. The last we saw was a Caterpillar bulldozer with tracks arriving to pull them out. The next day, all were gone from the swamp. It must have done the job.

vetteman · Aug 6, 2005

From my 30 plus years of farming one thing I know is if you get a 2wd tractor stuck it usually isnt that stuck but if you have a 4wd stuck usually you are really STUCK and it takes a BIG tractor to get you out.

Soundguy · Aug 8, 2005

( It sure would have been nice if you could have given us more information, as to what exactly the type of work was trying to be performed in Knee Deep Mud )

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Wow.. I almost hate posting here cause' it feels like I get dog-piled on and picked at... Almost have to go on the defensive as soon as I get a post out.... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I'm sorry i didn't wade across the obviously wet/deep pasture to get more tractor/owner info.. or didn't hunt down the owner /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

What I know: I was driving in while working.. the tractor was driving across a pasture that was obviously wet.. It was not a mud-field.. it was a cow pasture that was too-soft.. the tractor was leaving ruts.. the ruts eventially got too deep for the tires.. the tractor high centered.. with the front being pretty much 'into' the ground. Looke dlike a 4' mower on the rear. No loader. Tires were agg tires.. so I'll 'guess' 4wd.

( I have no idea, what the Jinma Operator, was trying to accomplish, in those Wet Soil conditions, but it sounds like maybe, an inexperienced operator. )

It's been raining here alot.. I'd guess he needed to get some grass mowed.. and got unlucky. Most all of the other tractors i saw were parked.. so.. maybee it was an operator experience issue.

By the way.. I dodn't post this to imply that the jinma couldn't 'cut' it as a tractor. I'm fully sure that the ford I saw ( low profile tractor) would also have been hopelessly mired to the frame as well.. as it is even heavier.. and didn't have hi-clearance tires... same with the MF I saw. Both would be pasture ornamants.

( Was the JD, 2wd or 4wd?, going frontwards or backwards thru the Knee Deep Mud?
)

Looked like a 2wd hi-crop model... it was cutting furrows.. dragging a rickety looking 15' batwing... forwards.

And again.. this was not a mud covered 'arena'.. it was cow pasture we were all driving thru.. obviously wetter in some areas.. And it was almost completely grassed .. except for the rutted areas.

( As far as seeing stuck tractors. I have seen personally many more 2wd's stuck, than I have seen 4wd's stuck. )

It's been my opinion that 4wd vehicles just get stuck 'farther from home' than 2wd vehicles.

The only tractor I've ever stuck was my only 4wd tractor.. a NH 1920... As for heavy equipment.. I'd say it's pretty much even numbers... when the grounds wet.. everything sticks.. even some narrow tread dozers..

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif This was meant to be a 'I saw a jinma today' post.... you know.. light hearted.. fun... guess that went out the door ....

Soundguy

Soundguy · Aug 8, 2005

( From my 30 plus years of farming one thing I know is if you get a 2wd tractor stuck it usually isnt that stuck but if you have a 4wd stuck usually you are really STUCK and it takes a BIG tractor to get you out. )

Ditto.. 4wd and stuck..== REALLY stuck.

I've seen pics of tractors and combines pulled in HALF while trying to be pulled out from being stuck..

Soundguy

minidozer · Aug 8, 2005

Adding fuel to the fire...

I have been very close to being stuck in my light weight 25hp 4 wheel drive tractor but with locking rear wheels and or dumping the bucket I always managed to get out. I will say, had I become "stuck" I would have been really stuck.

I had a slide on an old logging road that was steep and had a spring running across it. My neighbor in his heavy MF 2 wheel drive tractor was usless. He could barely go down the hill with an empty bucket. My little tractor cleared the road. What I am trying to say is that my tractor will do alot more work before it will ever get stuck. Would never buy a 2 wheel drive tractor.
(The spring now runs across the road in a pipe.)

I do have a problem with my 4 wheel drive tractor and that is its high center of gravity. Had it on two wheels before which is why I purchased a chinese dozer with its PTO/Cat1.

ejtaylor822 · Aug 8, 2005

I almost had my Jinma stuck but good. I was helping a neighbor spread some grit - very coarse sand - on a trail he made from his house to his garden to drive his JD gator. The trail followed where the underground power line had been ran. I first began by smoothing out with the box blade and leveling.

I soon discovered that one part of the trail, down a little hill that ran between several trees forcing me to take the same path each time, was very damp; looked like it was a dry spring. After several trips through this section with a fully loaded Koyker 195 bucket, I had created some really good ruts.

On one of my last trips, I went through the rutted out damp section when the right front tire got stuck. The top of the axle was even with the ground and just pushing dirt. The left rear wheel was just barely touching the ground. I tried to reverse but no go. I then dumped my load, tried to reverse - no go. Put her in 4WD, realizing that if this did not work I only had a few more options left, the 4WD did not get her out. I locked the rear axle and she pulled out without spinning a wheel! Amazing what a locked axle can do.

I brought the remainder of the grit to this one section of trail /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

SPIKER · Aug 8, 2005

Yep Been there nearly done that:

Mine I ahve had burried to the axel (front one) several times, always managed to DRIVE it out (or back it out) each time, worst was when I high centered it on a pile of goo I was pushing upo to let dry * burn, combo of mud grass weeds and brambles... then slid into the creek with the pile in front and no way to back out as i was by the bridge...

anyhow more than likely it was inexperiance on the operators part... who in their right mind puts BIG ruts into the pasture???

Markm

JINMA224XR · Aug 9, 2005

Guess the poor owner of the jinma missed the rain report that day!

I sure hope it dry's up some. . the tractor was clean looking except for the knee deep mud... This was meant to be a 'I saw a jinma today' post.... you know.. light hearted.. fun... guess that went out the door ....The only tractor I've ever stuck was my only 4wd tractor.. a NH 1920... As for heavy equipment.. I'd say it's pretty much even numbers... when the grounds wet.. everything sticks.. even some narrow tread dozers..

Hey SoundGuy,

Sorry SoundGuy, didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I guess I was feeling a little bit sad for the Little Jinma, that was stuck in the Mud. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Where I'm at in the Bayou/Swamp/Marsh, when it is wet, then the land clearing is not done with the narrow track dozers. We use Wide track or swamp Track Dozers, with at least 24" wide Tracks or we use TrackHoe's. On my place, we used a TrackHoe, and even it almost got stuck a few times. It was a really scary situation for me as an investment owner. Almost at every step, seeing my money's in the land evaporate. Before I moved here, I wasn't aware of the Wide Track Dozers and TrackHoe's, and even though, they cannot walk on water, they can actually go, where the water is oozing out from underneath their tracks.

As far as a 2wheeled tractor, It would have pretty much been useless here on my place most of the time. It is just too boggy in too many places here on my place.

I think that it is about time for you to get your own Chinese Tractor, so that you can give us your Professional Comments about the Chinese Tractors from an Owners Point of View. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Get your Tractors Running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Soundguy · Aug 10, 2005

( and even though, they cannot walk on water, they can actually go, where the water is oozing out from underneath their tracks.
)

We use lots of LGP dozers, and trackhoes, and also use dragline matts for real wet areas.

( I think that it is about time for you to get your own Chinese Tractor, so that you can give us your Professional Comments about the Chinese Tractors from an Owners Point of View )

I'm working on it .. I'm investigating one of those walk behind tractors.

Soundguy

JINMA224XR · Aug 10, 2005

I'm working on it .. I'm investigating one of those walk behind tractors. 

Hey SoundGuy,

Walk Behind!!!! What!!!

That's Walking, Not Riding. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyway, whichever way that you go, just make sure that you follow Greg's Instructions on Flushing. Get's the loose metal out, that blocks the oil passages.

Get some of that Chinese Oil Tween your fingers and you'll be hooked for good then. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

TJW · Aug 11, 2005

I have a real swampy field and I have been stuck several times with my JM284LE. I am getting more careful and I hope to avoid it in the future. Usually happens when I am going too fast and hit a soft spot and dont't realize it until my rear wheels are in too. If I am going slower and the front wheels sink in, then I can back out. I have had all kinds of machines stuck in my field, there are springs and seeps lurking in the grass. I am trying to mow it all now and will put in some ditches with my Jinma backhoe in the next few days. Might make it better next year?? We'll see.
TJ

JINMA224XR · Aug 12, 2005

I have a real swampy field and I have been stuck several times with my JM284LE. I am getting more careful and I hope to avoid it in the future. Usually happens when I am going too fast and hit a soft spot and dont't realize it until my rear wheels are in too. If I am going slower and the front wheels sink in, then I can back out. 

Hey TJ,

My little 224, isn't as heavy on the front end as your 284, but it also has the 16 inch tires on the front. So far, I have been having good luck with my 224, as long as I have it in 4wd. The skinny Ag tires that come on most of the Chinese Tractors, will sink down much more easily than a wider tire. You might try a wider tire up front on your 284. On your type ground, I would think that a tire that is twice as wide, might just do the trick. It is amazing how much difference a tire that is twice as wide can make in boggy ground.

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

kidney · Aug 16, 2005

quote "It's been my opinion that 4wd vehicles just get stuck 'farther from home' than 2wd vehicles."

Isn't the point of 4wd is to get you farther from home? Operator error is usually a bigger factor when one gets stuck.Here in snow country in the winter 4wd is a God send. Plowing snow with a 4wd can do so much more than 2wd. But not impossible to get stuck but a great advantage over 2wd. I would not own a 2wd tractor after having a 4wd one.

RonMar · Aug 17, 2005

Funny this post is active right now, I sunk my Jinma this afternoon, pushing back the limits of my jungle with the brush hog. I lost track of where I was and didn't realize how close I was to the swampy spot. Looked back to check the brushog height and when I looked back forward, both front wheels were burying themselvs and the rear tires were sunk in befor I could get her stopped. The brush is so thick I couldn't see it till the wheels were in. Unfortunatly I was heading down a slight slope anyway so there is no way this thing is comming back out without assistance. I got the mower off and dug out a ton of dirt in the back to make a shallower ramp untill it got dark. I have my neighbor lined up tomorrow to give me a tow.