Sub-compact tractor

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"Even though my wife is very supportive of this purchase". Don't hold back,you can let your "Mad Money" build up again and buy your wife a nice gift down the road,can you say,Backhoe? 3-point Sprayer? Core Aerator?
 
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MReeter & everyone else.... I'm new to this board. Looks like I'm getting an education in how to properly justify what I need for my compact tractor. I'm learning!

This board is a great resource and a lot of fun. I wish I had come across it sooner.

John
 
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I think you should be looking at the I'm married, this is yours/this is mine situation fron a different point of veiw. Even if your wife does or doesn't get involved in operating the new tractor Something to be wary of by the way, as you will lose more and more of your valuable seat time. In reality once you have the new tractor and she sees just what it can do, I think you will both be amazed at how many projects she can come up with. Therefore making the new tractor more of a shared commodity.

And once you have your new tractor and and find out just how versitle it really is, you may find yourself, like, many TBN'ers wishing you hadn't limited yourself in both size and capability. Therefore a step up to the Kubota B7500 or a New Holland TC21 or TC24 may actually be more practical.

And lastly If I were you I would really consider a front loader. As will be echoed by many a TBN'er, a loader can be the single most effective tool you will ever purchase. Plus many years from now your back will thank you over and over again.
 
   / Sub-compact tractor #24  
JWE,

Welcome. You'll find all sorts of great advice on this board, and most of us are pretty good at spending other people's money.

About 3 years ago I started looking at "garden tractor" size units by Deere, Wheel Horse and others. I found that those units cost about as much as the BX's and, for my purposes, didn't offer as much versatility as the compact utility tractor class.

I had convinced myself that I "needed" a loader and backhoe. I wanted a machine mostly for digging and snow removal. To make a long story short, I ended up with a Kubota B2910. For me, knowing this was most likely a lifetime investment and also knowing how well these units keep their value, I thought this was the most bang for the buck. I only have 2/3 of an acre, so it is a bit overkill, but I've never regretted my purchase.

There are a lot of good machines out there. The trick is to buy a good machine that you like from a good dealer that you like.

Good Luck, and don't hesitate to ask questions and do lots of searches. You'll find many of us were in the same situation.

~Rick
 
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JWE,

I was in the same shoes you are in March 2002. I had a Case/Ingersoll for 12 years, 16 hp, 2 wheel drive, 60 inch deck, snow blower, tiller , cab. I sold it and purchased a BX 2200 with a 60 inch deck, FEL, also have a First Choice 48 inch tiller and 54 inch Puma snow blower. It was expensive, yes, but what a nice machine it does everything I wanted and then some. I went from cutting the grass, a bit over 2 acres in 2 ¼ hours to 1 ¼ hours with the BX, with a superior cut. The tiller on the Case was a pain to take off and put on, with hydraulic lines and removing the deck, the BX 3 pins and the PTO and I can leave the deck on! What a nice job it does tilling, much better then the Case unit. The FEL, well I thought I would not use it that much, but what the heck and I got it after reading the various posts here. Well the first time I got 10 yards of mulch and put it all down in a little over an hour, I was sold. It would have taken me weeks to load the cart up wheel it over, dump and spread it out. With the FEL just picked it up and dumped and spread it with a rake, MUCH easier and a lot of fun, did I say mulching was fun??? I hope the snow blower will prove to be a great addition * no snow yet***, but I know I will miss the cab on the Case, well perhaps a cab for the BX next year??? I also looked at the B7500 and went back and forth but decided on the BX. The BX22 would have been great 15 years a go when I was planting and landscaping, but could not justify the hoe, although it looks like fun! The JD unit looks like a nice machine from what I have read here, may be worth checking out. Does the Kubota dealer have a good price on the BX 2200? Check out this web site http://www.kazez.com/~will/kubotalinks.html for prices to see how the deal looks and do not forget about Carvers, they are listed on the web site, good prices and great people to deal with. I did not buy my tractor from them , but have purchased some implements from then as well as Sweet Tractor, also listed on the web site.

Hope this helped. Good luck, remember looking is half the fun. Let us know what you decide on and welcome to the TBN family.

Tom
 
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JWE,Believe it or not,there is a fellow in the small town that we live outside of,that has a BX22 (TBL) that lives on a very small city lot.I stopped one day just to check out the new machine,and visit for a short while.

He proceded to tell my about the drainage problems he was having around the foundation of his house.Seems that the only way to "fix" the problem was to dig up all the old footing drains,removing all the shrubs,sidewalks,etc.

He had 3 different bids from contractors to perform the work,the lowest bid being at 10K.He said for that kind of money,he could buy his own equipment and do the work himself.Which is exactly what he did. BTW,he did a great job also.

I asked him if he was now going to sell the Kubota now that the big project was complete,and his reply was "Why would I want to do that? I love just coming out here and setting on it,and starting it up,whether I do anything or not"

Point being,everyone has their own reasons for justifing a purchase such as this,if you feel the "need" don't look back,you will love every moment you spend "working" on your property,no matter what brand of compact you end up with.
 
   / Sub-compact tractor #27  
Hear hear, the voice of experiance!!
I second that. You will be amazed what your loved ones will dream up for you to do once they realize what you CAN do with your machine. JWE, your wife will seriously benefit from your purchase. Might as well take a collection bucket to your neighbors and relatives while you are at it. They will benefit also. I know mine do!!
 
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Yes,the wife is important with a tractor.I have to ask to use the BX1800 in the spring,summer and fall months.My projects have to be worked around her projects.Be careful what you buy or the same thing will happen to you.Good thing I have a Ford 2120 for mine own.This does have a shuttle shift,but you still need to use the clutch when you want to stop.She has a bad left leg,clutch is hard for her.We have the 54 inch deck due to the fact SHE mows in alot of places that is uneven.She mows a mile of stone walls and a pasture that we are claiming back as a field.If I did not have the 2120 we probaly would of bought the next up from a BX.It's a nice tractor,but I use my 2120 for the big jobs.But,I like the BX because I can go across a place that I have just leveled out and can't even tell.
 
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JWE, I am in a similar stuation to you and others. I have a 2WD garden tractor and am very interested in the 4WD subcompacts. In my case, I have held out because I would prefer to see what I can do with a loader before I make a decision about a backhoe attachment. With the Kubota BX22, you have to buy it all at once, or not at all. If the JD 2210 turns out to be a good machine, and the rumors about a separate BH option become reality, I will give it serious consideration.
 
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I am overwhelmed and grateful for all of the information that I have received. Time permitting, I will stop by the Kubota dealer tomorrow and check out the FEL.

How much do they cost? Is there any downside to adding the FEL at a later date? I assume that I could install it myself?
 
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HI JWE and all,

For years I wanted a Powerking tractor...but it never happened.

Then this year I got bit by the tractor bug good, and the wife agreed that a tractor could be very useful...I mean a real tractor. So first I looked at the BX22. Wanted a backhoe. Another fantasy of mine over the years I guess.

Then I found TBN and read and read and read. And decided that what is often repeated here was probably true: Few trade down, but many trade up, or want to..."

I decided after driving a b7500, that I should get something bigger than the bx22, and focused on the B7500. Then rationalized my way to the B2410. As I was going through this process, the salesman/manager of the dealership quit, and I ended up talking by telephone with the owner of place [who normally resides at his other dealership (blue)], and agreeing on a price. Then I asked off the cuff how much more a b2910 would be [tractor, loader, backhoe, rear mower, toothbar] and it was under $2,000 more.

So I bought the B2910. I have 4 acres to deal with, 2 wooded that I will partially clear. I have done a lot with the tractor so far and do not think it is too big for my needs. Actually, I kind of second guess myself now, as with the rebates that were in place at the time I could have gotten a L3010 for the same price I think. I kind of now wish I had the L3010, just a little more loader there, a little more weight, not that much bigger...

When does this end??? I guess for me right now! The B2910 is certainly all I need.

Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that initially when I saw a B2910 I said no way I could ever use something THAT big.... Then I bought one and found it perfect for my needs.

And let me second what was said by others above, the loader is so useful. I can't imagine owning a tractor without a loader. Without the backhoe, no problem. Without a loader, NO WAY!

Good luck in your choice. Give serious thought to the next size up...

/w3tcompact/icons/love.gif that picture, by the way!

Bill in Pgh, PA
 
   / Sub-compact tractor #32  
JWE:

Just curios, how big is your property?
 
   / Sub-compact tractor #33  
I understand what you're saying certainly. It's just funny that we all do it. I mean in reality how do we justify the houses we live in. How do we justify the cars we drive, etc. When it comes down to what we really need isn't much. Most of what we have these days is a luxury. I meant the post as being funny how we all try and justify things, LOL. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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Lot's to chew on from a lot of people. I've got a different perspective than most just for argument... I mean discussion sake. If the distrubution of allowances is at issue you might want to buy a smaller tractor so that you won't be tempted by all of the options that a CUT offers. I can speak from the experience of a new tractor owner (JD 4010 FEL 60" MMM) that all of the options and implements that are available make it difficult to not spend any more money. Smaller might be better. Just playing devils advocate. Whatever your choice I am sure it will be a good one with all of the helpful advice that has been provided. Good Luck!!!

Brent
 
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<font color=blue>Most of what we have these days is a luxury</font color=blue>

I agree. After food, clothing and shelter, everything else is a luxury. With Thanksgiving just last week, its time to remember this.
 
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WME, I would like to echo what Bill has said with my own sad story of TRACTORITIS /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

I dreamed of owning some real <font color=green>John Deere green</font color=green>, while mowing my lawn with a riding lawnmower. I turned tractor shopping into a hobby. Eventually, I fell for <font color=orange> Kubota</font color=orange>. They were smaller & less expensive, so obviously the wife liked them better too. A couple of years passed, and some more wear & tear on the riding lawnmower. The wife finally realized that a tractor would be a part of my life. She said that if I were to get a tractor it needs to have a front end loader. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif No more glorified riding lawn mowers for me.

The JD X595 and the Kubota BX2200 & B7500 were on my short list. My wife liked the JD better, since it looked like a riding lawnmower (no offense). Of course the JD dealer wanted full retail plus delivery charges, making a 595 with FEL & MMM over 16K. /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif Ahh, now I could play the Kubota card...honey, I can get a Kubota for less money but have more capability. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif We both drove the BX2200, it seemed not so comfortable, the operator space was too small. This was the first sign of tractoritis. We moved up to and drove the B7500. This fit better, it felt more like a real tractor. The salesman stated that the B2410 wasn't much more, and offered more features. We drove that one, and then I asked...how much is a B2710? I had full blown tractoritis. What did the B2910 offer...how much? L3010? Luckily(?), my wife's immune system is stronger than mine. She said the L3010 wouldn't fit in the new shed. But the L3010 felt much more solid than the B2910. I now knew I needed to look elsewhere for the tractoritis high. The JD 4115, no the 4210, NO THE 4310!!! That &^%*& JD dealer and his high prices, but that's O.K., the 4310 probably wouldn't fit in the shed either. Massey Ferguson, the 1235, no the 1240...sweet. None of the local dealers had any in stock, and I can't buy without driving first. New Holland, the TC24...new model with the curved FEL...sexy. But it was parked next to a TC29...much more solid. The TC33D...how much more, let me take that for a spin...hey honey try this one. It's perfect/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Yes, I was overwhelmed by tractoritis, the need to get the next larger tractor model. I have read it over and over in many different threads, guys who kept looking until they bought the largest tractor they could justify or afford, but there's long lasting side effects...you always wish you bought the next larger tractor. It is very sad, but it is only the beginning if you are susceptible to ATTACHMENTITIS. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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JWE,

The following link, put together and posted by Will, a fellow TBN member, is very helpful with respect to pricing of the Kubota B series stuff:

Click here</font color=blue>

Then click on the dollar sign on the bottom left side of the page that comes up.

I don't remember it being referred to above. If it was...sorry for the duplication!

Bill in Pgh, PA
 
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<font color=blue>ATTACHMENTITIS</font color=blue>??? What's that???

June: MTD garden tractor

August: Kubota B2910 tractor, loader, backhoe, RFM

November: The above plus tooth bar, box blade, boom pole, rear blade, carry all, sub soiler, pallet forks, misc chains and straps, extra jack stands, tire chains, loaded rear tires, foam filled front tires...

Coming soon? I can only guess...

ATTACHMENTITIS.? What's ATTACHMENTITIS?????????

/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif........./w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif/w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif

Bill in Pgh, PA
 
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Bill,

You really need to see a doctor....better yet come see me. Oh yeah, bring the RFM, box-blade, boom pole, carry all, sub soiler, and the jack stands...I think all of those should be compatible with my tractor. Uh, I mean I can help you with your problem. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
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Hummmmmmmmm.... I disagree...

Aw shucks--really? Go ahead and disagree, since you own neither I will stick with my opinion which as I stated is my opinion and as always I expect others to not agree /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif . Sure seems like that MF has a boomerang shaped Go-pedal and looks to have copied the reverse flow arrangement complete with a BX like screened intake. Why, unless there is a SIGNIFICANT price differential would anyone buy a MF subcompact built and rebadged for them by Iseki when they can purchase a fairly proven product such as the BX or at least a well thought of name brand like JD (2210) ? Some of you guys will go to any lengths to avoid buying a Kubota or an imported tractor by buying exactly that, an imported tractor and in this case an unproven one from a company that appears to be loosing ground.
Hey, I see a lot of MF big tractors around here, they are real popular it looks like with the real farmers who need massive equipment, I don't see a lot of commonality between them and that litte Iseki with a MF badge on it.

To the original poster, since it looks like you intend to use it for mowing primarily, and since I own both a Kubota BX and a Kubota B2410, I assure you it is a fact, the smaller BX will mow circles around the B2410 and the cut quality is MUCH better. Before you buy something to big for your needs think about what you intend to do with it and what you might wish to do with it in the future. Be realistic, go ahead and get a huge honkin machine but then be prepared to also need to buy yet another machine--smaller--to do what you originaly intended, doing some mowing and yard work. J
 

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