square baler trouble shooting

[Farmer495]

Awesome thank you Farmer495 for your tips. I will check out the plunger tomorrow, grease all joints with pb blaster and see if it is stuck.

Sea2Summit, yes I bought my first baler and I am learning. Couldn't pass it up at $300. It did not come with grease or twine. Also did not come with a tractor, rake, cutter bar, fuel, or grass.
I think what I heard you say is, I really think you should prioritize getting the manuals as they will really help you get this baler going for hay season. Is that correct? If so, I agree with you and I will get the manuals.

I have the original operator's manual, has some content and trouble shooting, but most of it is based off a new machine versus a neglected one. Still good reference. Hope you can get it moving, once it's turning it is much easier to identify anything else it needs.

 

[5030]

NH 575 parts catalog shows some chains were utilized when transferring power

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The only roller chains I had on mine drove the hydraulic pump for the bale tension cylinder and the feeder forks. The entire knotter assembly, the trip mechanism and the needles were gear driven. Power transfer on NH bailers as always been a hypoid right angle gearbox driving an actuator arm that powers the plunger and the knotter gear drive is vis a driveshaft from that gearbox.

 

[Tx Jim]

So you are admitting that your model 575 that you sold does had several chains. I'm very familiar with a right angle gearbox to power plungerhead & other functions on a small sq baler as JD sq balers have a similiar PH drive box.

I'm not that familiar with NH sq balers but I think a chain powers knotter via frt drive chain in 1st photo below.

I failed to locate in a 575 NH parts catalog a knotter drive "gearcase" although I located 2 knotter drive gears that operate in the "dust" not a gearbox. I noticed NH is very proud of that sheave/gear combo(item 45) @ $4,115.83 in 2nd photo & to think folks bash JD about the price of their parts.
Last 2 photos were taken of my neighbors NH 575 chains

 

[5030]

Second picture is the hydraulic pump drive. Your neighbors NH is filthy as well. I'd never let mine collect that much filth.

 

[Tx Jim]

At least my neighbor knows his 575 has several drive chains. You should have noticed your 575 had several drive chains when you cleaned your baler up!!! FYI 1st photo is of sprocket & chain to transfer power from hypoid right angle gearbox driving an actuator arm to remainder of baler

 

[IAM Done]

John Deere 14T baler, breaking the twine after ties knott. Any suggestions as to why?

 

[Hay Dude]

John Deere 14T baler, breaking the twine after ties knott. Any suggestions as to why?

twine hanging up on billhook?

 

[Tx Jim]

Welcome to TBN
Operators manual contains several solutions to twine tying problems. One solution is in photo below.

 

[Hay Dude]

I almost always see twine wrapped around the billhook with broken twine

 

[Jrasband]

I am just getting back to this project. I am hoping to get it operating for winter so I can rebale round bales to feed my milk cows 1 at a time.

I have disconnected the swingarm from the plunger and have been soaking around the plunger with PB.. It is very stuck. The baler is hooked to my truck and I hooked the plunger to a 6x4 gator. When I drive the truck I drag the gator. I am scared I am going to bend the plunger if I hook it to a heavier object. I backed off all the adjustment bolts that I could find(Six opposite the pickup side). The shims are all swelled up with rust.

I have not tried hitting the plunger from the back side to see if it would move at all the other way yet.

Any ideas what I should try next?

 

[Jrasband]

I have the original operator's manual, has some content and trouble shooting, but most of it is based off a new machine versus a neglected one. Still good reference. Hope you can get it moving, once it's turning it is much easier to identify anything else it needs.

Can you send me a PDF of the manual?

 

[LHF2019]

I am just getting back to this project. I am hoping to get it operating for winter so I can rebale round bales to feed my milk cows 1 at a time.

I don't know your layout but your statement has me curious. There isn't any place close to the cows to feed off the round bale without going through all the extra time and expense to rebale just to feed it out. My barn isn't set up for round bales by any means but I feed them with no issue and they are baleage. They are all fed out by hand. Unravel round bale with a fork and put in the manger. 35 head, 3 different areas, 6 different bales, and soon adding another pen which will add 2 more bales to the labor.

 

[Jrasband]

I do not have housing for winter feeding. I am planning on continuing rotating them through the winter until ground is wet. The square bales would be fed on there front polywire line everyday. Since I am only feeding 2 or 3 cows so I think unrolling would be to much at a time.

 

[Hay Dude]

I am just getting back to this project. I am hoping to get it operating for winter so I can rebale round bales to feed my milk cows 1 at a time.

I have disconnected the swingarm from the plunger and have been soaking around the plunger with PB.. It is very stuck. The baler is hooked to my truck and I hooked the plunger to a 6x4 gator. When I drive the truck I drag the gator. I am scared I am going to bend the plunger if I hook it to a heavier object. I backed off all the adjustment bolts that I could find(Six opposite the pickup side). The shims are all swelled up with rust.

I have not tried hitting the plunger from the back side to see if it would move at all the other way yet.

Any ideas what I should try next?

Can you afford to try another baler? I like a JD336

 

[SPYDERLK]

I am just getting back to this project. I am hoping to get it operating for winter so I can rebale round bales to feed my milk cows 1 at a time.

I have disconnected the swingarm from the plunger and have been soaking around the plunger with PB.. It is very stuck. The baler is hooked to my truck and I hooked the plunger to a 6x4 gator. When I drive the truck I drag the gator. I am scared I am going to bend the plunger if I hook it to a heavier object. I backed off all the adjustment bolts that I could find(Six opposite the pickup side). The shims are all swelled up with rust.

I have not tried hitting the plunger from the back side to see if it would move at all the other way yet.

Any ideas what I should try next?

If youre going to hit it use a "battering ram" made from a 4x4 or 6x6. Give it a good bump.

 

[Farmer495]

I am just getting back to this project. I am hoping to get it operating for winter so I can rebale round bales to feed my milk cows 1 at a time.

I have disconnected the swingarm from the plunger and have been soaking around the plunger with PB.. It is very stuck. The baler is hooked to my truck and I hooked the plunger to a 6x4 gator. When I drive the truck I drag the gator. I am scared I am going to bend the plunger if I hook it to a heavier object. I backed off all the adjustment bolts that I could find(Six opposite the pickup side). The shims are all swelled up with rust.

I have not tried hitting the plunger from the back side to see if it would move at all the other way yet.

Any ideas what I should try next?

If you run a chain from the plunger out the back of the bale chamber to a handyman jack/jackall you can place a heavy beam across the chamber for the base of the jack to rest and hook the chain to the jack so the jack is pulling the plunger horizontally out the back of the machine. You will need to anchor the other end of the jack so it stays inline with the pulling force. You can slowly apply strain with the jack. Of course you have to know what you are doing since there is a reason they are called suicide jacks.

I did this on an parts #9 years ago and it worked. Trying to pull with wheeled vehicles doesn't give the same effect. If it's really bad you might have a lost cause...

I gave up on square bales, sold the baler. One old barn is still set up for them but I tear rolls apart by hand, still a lot easier than messing with another baler.

 

[Farmer495]

Can you send me a PDF of the manual?

Sorry, not able to make it a PDF. Might be able to take some photos if you have any specific questions.

 

[Jrasband]

I am going to remove the hood on top of the baler. There are a couple plates underneath the hood that span across the baler and I can take those off too for access to the top of the plunger.

I'll cut the plunger in half with a angle grinder if I have to but not ready for that yet..