Split brake on B26

[Carl Bert]

I just don't get it. I was under the impression that the split brake was used to stop one wheel from spinning and send the power to the other one. But with all the pedals on the same side, how do you go about using the hydro and split brake pedals at the same time? Very confused please help.

 

[TripleR]

There are literally pages of "discussion" on this and it seems each time it is brought up, the "discussion" gets heated.

Some cross over and use the steering brakes with the left foot, some use the cruise control and some use the heel and toe of the right foot.

If you are just after additional traction, the differential locker works better for me.

I rarely use mine, but have no difficulty in doing so.

 

[Carl Bert]

There are literally pages of "discussion" on this and it seems each time it is brought up, the "discussion" gets heated.

Some cross over and use the steering brakes with the left foot, some use the cruise control and some use the heel and toe of the right foot.

If you are just after additional traction, the differential locker works better for me.

I rarely use mine, but have no difficulty in doing so.

Then I was right, the two pedals are meant to be used together. Then it truly makes no sense having them all on the same side. Why not just put the brakes on the left side? I don't even have the option of using cruise control because my tractor doesn't have it. Wow I have to call my dealer and get thier take on this.

 

[TripleR]

Just a few threads, plenty more with others coming up in unrelated threads.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/180910-quick-question-about-turning-brakes.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/177623-why-split-brakes.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/160338-hydros-brake-pedals.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-buying-pricing/148640-steering-brakes.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/147006-separate-brakes-whats-point.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/95687-what-kubota-thinking.html

 

[CHDinCT]

Oh boy, here we go again. The JD boys should be here soon!

 

[TripleR]

Oh boy, here we go again. The JD boys should be here soon!

Yep, I am going to sign off on this one for tonight, I don't think I am up to another round on this topic.

You really should know all of this before you buy a tractor it would seem, but what do I know.

 

[Ductape]

If I didn't know better, I'd say Carl Bert was a sneaky JD owner with a Kubota in his avatar. :laughing:

 

[crazyal]

The Kubota is set up just like my Case backhoe so it feels natural to me to use right leg but the GLs have a flat floorboard so it's real easy to do. I'm thinking Kubota did it this way for safety. It's much more natural to step on the brakes with your left foot why pushing/ releasing the clutch. Like some others have said, I rarely need to use the brakes to steer so it's really a non-issue for me.

 

[RobertN]

The Kubota setup seems to be left over from gear tractors. Instead of having two pedal setup, one for gear and one for HST, they just kept the gear pedals. I have theorized also, that they make them more car like, and with power steering did not find the need for steering brakes.

My current NH has the brakes on the left, hydro on the right. Took a little getting used to after 12 years on my old Kubota B series HST. I have not needed the split brakes on either tractor for my purposes, so either layout works for me.

 

[lzicc]

That's my thought also. The split brake is pretty useless if you have hst.

The Kubota setup seems to be left over from gear tractors. Instead of having two pedal setup, one for gear and one for HST, they just kept the gear pedals.

 

[DAY]

This is yet another example of non-tractor/farmer folks getting a CUT for their "Ponderosa". They also probably never drove a stick shift car as a kid. (Left foot- clutch, right foot- gas and brakes. Heel and toe if you are double clutch downshifting at a hairpin turn in your five speed Ferrari crashbox. . .) This is NOT a criticism; once upon a time I too had never been on a tractor. As I have said before, if you are a "newbie", you need some seat time, either at the dealers, or on a rental unit.

As for split brakes, they are great for turning on a dime at the end of the row when plowing or mowing with a haybine.

 

[TripleR]

This is yet another example of non-tractor/farmer folks getting a CUT for their "Ponderosa". They also probably never drove a stick shift car as a kid. (Left foot- clutch, right foot- gas and brakes. Heel and toe if you are double clutch downshifting at a hairpin turn in your five speed Ferrari crashbox. . .) This is NOT a criticism; once upon a time I too had never been on a tractor. As I have said before, if you are a "newbie", you need some seat time, either at the dealers, or on a rental unit.

As for split brakes, they are great for turning on a dime at the end of the row when plowing or mowing with a haybine.

Always a good idea, I grew up driving tractors and still need to drive a tractor before buying it.

As to split brakes, all tractors are not the same. We use them on some and on others it is either not needed or ineffective.

 

[RobertN]

Actually, I have a few nice Ponderosa's on the property.

I grew up driving stick shifts. I can heel/toe a stickshift, or power brake an auto.

My old Kubota was a GREAT tractor overall. But, it was pitiful to try and use the HST treadle and individual brake pedals at the same time.

I have used the steering brakes on older Ford 9N and Farmall-A's. Worked great.

The Steering brakes on my NH work great too. They are on the left, HST on the right. Easy as pie, especially compared to my old B8200HSTD.

If you are turning at the end of a row, or trying to steer while plowing snow, I could not recomend the Kubota style pedal arrangement. I really like Kubota's, and would have another, But using the HST and cutting brakes is marginal at best.

This is yet another example of non-tractor/farmer folks getting a CUT for their "Ponderosa". They also probably never drove a stick shift car as a kid. (Left foot- clutch, right foot- gas and brakes. Heel and toe if you are double clutch downshifting at a hairpin turn in your five speed Ferrari crashbox. . .) This is NOT a criticism; once upon a time I too had never been on a tractor. As I have said before, if you are a "newbie", you need some seat time, either at the dealers, or on a rental unit.

As for split brakes, they are great for turning on a dime at the end of the row when plowing or mowing with a haybine.

 

[Carl Bert]

This is yet another example of non-tractor/farmer folks getting a CUT for their "Ponderosa". They also probably never drove a stick shift car as a kid. (Left foot- clutch, right foot- gas and brakes. Heel and toe if you are double clutch downshifting at a hairpin turn in your five speed Ferrari crashbox. . .) This is NOT a criticism; once upon a time I too had never been on a tractor. As I have said before, if you are a "newbie", you need some seat time, either at the dealers, or on a rental unit.

As for split brakes, they are great for turning on a dime at the end of the row when plowing or mowing with a haybine.

Very true, I am not a farmer. Nor do I have a lot of seat time. Thats why I am asking this question. Whether I've spent 20 years or 20 hours on a tractor, still doesn't change the fact that it simply makes no sense whatsoever to have the split brake and the HST pedals on the same side?

I ddn't get a chance to talk to my dealer yet, but I am soooo curios to hear what he has to say in Kubotas defense. There has to be some sort of reason, whether it be safety or something else, but there must be a reason.

 

[bstrom]

I have been using my Kubota steering brakes a bit with my snowplow. It's awkward at first but I find the best way is to cross your left foot over to them while holding your right on the HST pedal. Just a quick jab with the left foot on either pedal (right pedal to turn right, left for left) seems to work best. You feel like you are riding sidesaddle at first. It ain't great but it does work. I don't do it to much.

 

[DAY]

I have been using my Kubota steering brakes a bit with my snowplow. It's awkward at first but I find the best way is to cross your left foot over to them while holding your right on the HST pedal. Just a quick jab with the left foot on either pedal (right pedal to turn right, left for left) seems to work best. You feel like you are riding sidesaddle at first. It ain't great but it does work. I don't do it to much.

O K, a disclaimer: I don't have HST or 4WD, and I mostly have employed my tractors for farming operations- plowing (dirt, not snow), making hay, loading manure, spreading same, etc.

Do these CUTs have a hand throttle? Because a foot throttle(HST or gear) ties up a foot- one that can be used to steer with the brakes! (when that same foot isn't stomping its heel on the Dif lock). Doesn't the 4WD overcome the tractor pulling right or left when plowing snow?

Seems like snow plowing is in the top three of tractor chores, and Kub/JD/ etc. must have given that job some thought. . .

 

[powerstroke444e]

I do the leg cross all the time on my B26 and have a hand lever to run hydro if needed but its in the way when doing alot of forward and back stuff ussually only put it on when using backhoe and back filling trenches.

 

[Chilly807]

My L3400 gear drive has the clutch on the left, brakes on right, and foot throttle on the right as well. Hand throttle is included too. If I need brake steering when plowing snow (and I do sometimes), I set the hand throttle then use the left foot on the brakes. Not much way around it.

My real peeve is the diff lock under the right heel, as if that foot doesn't have enough to do already. No good reason the diff lock couldn't have been under the left foot.

Sean

 

[Carl Bert]

I do the leg cross all the time on my B26 and have a hand lever to run hydro if needed but its in the way when doing alot of forward and back stuff ussually only put it on when using backhoe and back filling trenches.

What hand lever to run hydro? So your saying you have a cruise control setting on the B26? I have a 2010 B26 and theres no cruise, nor was it offered to me as an option. Am I missing something?

 

[RobertN]

My old Kubota had HST and brakes on the right. Clutch on the left.

My current New Holland has the brakes on the left, HST on the right. It does not have a clutch pedal. It is my understanding, JD HST is set up similar.

My old B8200 was available gear or HST. It appeared, for the HST, they just stuck the HST treadle right there with the brakes, instead of on the clutch side. Appears more a matter of adding on to an existing design, rather redesign the pedal layout for ergonomic use of the cutting brakes.

I never had particular use for them here in the Calif foothills on the "Ponderosa". But, I did try them, as I had used that type brake before. As great as the tractor was, the use of the cutting brakes with the HST was a joke.

Seems like snow plowing is in the top three of tractor chores, and Kub/JD/ etc. must have given that job some thought. . .