Harv; The photo before powdercoating looked like aluminum, so I figured you TIGed it. Mig is great!! I blew thru my assignments in that. TIG is a little harder, but I've taken a real liking to it, even though you almost fall asleep with it. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Verticle up fillets are a killer for me. But I discovered the cup walk, and what a difference. One of my weldor buddies showed me that, the difference was incredible. Once again, beautiful job on the hat!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif And some guys really fall into deals, don't you? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif