Smoking and dying

[Ace Ford]

OK, a quick question. I pride myself on knowing essentially nothing about diesel engines (bad upbringing) so here is what ought to be a simple question (maybe). My Branson 2810 cranks, runs smoothly, then begins to smoke and will die, particularly if you put some stress on the engine (engage the PTO). Cranks right back up again and is not overheating. It seems as if the smoke is coming rear right. Minus the smoke, my guess would be fuel filter. Can a clogged fuel filter make one smoke?

 

[SandburRanch]

OK, a quick question. I pride myself on knowing essentially nothing about diesel engines (bad upbringing) so here is what ought to be a simple question (maybe). My Branson 2810 cranks, runs smoothly, then begins to smoke and will die, particularly if you put some stress on the engine (engage the PTO). Cranks right back up again and is not overheating. It seems as if the smoke is coming rear right. Minus the smoke, my guess would be fuel filter. Can a clogged fuel filter make one smoke?

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Remove the air filter and try it momentarily being careful no foreign object can be sucked in the intake.

 

[Reg]

OK, a quick question. I pride myself on knowing essentially nothing about diesel engines (bad upbringing) so here is what ought to be a simple question (maybe). My Branson 2810 cranks, runs smoothly, then begins to smoke and will die, particularly if you put some stress on the engine (engage the PTO). Cranks right back up again and is not overheating. It seems as if the smoke is coming rear right. Minus the smoke, my guess would be fuel filter. Can a clogged fuel filter make one smoke?

I would guess fuel starvation - - I suppose I should first ask "What COLOR smoke ?"
White or black ?

In any case I would drain the water separator, bleed air, try again.
If that doesn't work I would replace the fuel filter, again - bleed the air from it.

 

[Ace Ford]

Red--it is black smoke. I've got a fuel filter coming and I'll try the water separator (as soon as I find it). Thank you.

 

[Reg]

Red--it is black smoke. I've got a fuel filter coming and I'll try the water separator (as soon as I find it). Thank you.

I often refer to the fuel filter and water separator as one and the same thing - and on SOME trucks, tractors, boats, etc. they actually ARE one unit.
Sorry if that caused confusion.
Since I don't know your specific tractor model I suggest you look it up to see if there are separate units, or if the fuel filter performs the water separator function (many do).

 

[dex3361]

Black smoke is a load on the engine or starving for air. I would check the air cleaner. I would make sure nothing is blocking the air intake as well. Is your PTO turning freely? Fuel, air and compression in the right combination is what makes it run. :thumbsup:

 

[grsthegreat]

youd be amazed at the mouse nests that i have pulled out of filter housings after a winters rest.

 

[dex3361]

I started putting bounce fabric softener sheets around stuff I didnt want mice or rats to bother. It works for me.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[grsthegreat]

I started putting bounce fabric softener sheets around stuff I didnt want mice or rats to bother. It works for me.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

and your mice never smelled sweater:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

[Ace Ford]

I often refer to the fuel filter and water separator as one and the same thing - and on SOME trucks, tractors, boats, etc. they actually ARE one unit.
Sorry if that caused confusion.
Since I don't know your specific tractor model I suggest you look it up to see if there are separate units, or if the fuel filter performs the water separator function (many do).

It is a Branson 2810 and best I can tell from my manual, fuel filter must be doing "both". I did remove and checked the air cleaner (yep, I now all about mouse nests in engines) and it was clear so that's not the problem. Smoke is black from exhaust, but I'm also getting white smoke from some sort of hose that looks like an overflow hose that runs to the back and opposite side of the engine from the exhaust pipe. I haven't been able to find out just what the heck that is with my limited Branson manual, but I'm going to take another stab at it tomorrow. Oh well, on the plus side I'm good with horses...

 

[grsthegreat]

It is a Branson 2810 and best I can tell from my manual, fuel filter must be doing "both". I did remove and checked the air cleaner (yep, I now all about mouse nests in engines) and it was clear so that's not the problem. Smoke is black from exhaust, but I'm also getting white smoke from some sort of hose that looks like an overflow hose that runs to the back and opposite side of the engine from the exhaust pipe. I haven't been able to find out just what the heck that is with my limited Branson manual, but I'm going to take another stab at it tomorrow. Oh well, on the plus side I'm good with horses...

in that case.... get rid of the tractor and do this :laughing: :licking:

 

[Reg]

Unfortunately...

Much as I would LIKE TO have and use draft horses.
They need a LOT of maintenance, whether you use them or not.
I doubt that I would acquire the necessary skills in a short enough time to get useful amounts of work done with them (instant grat. personality type, etc) and the time to hook up and unhook implements - Wow, probably WAY over what it takes me to change a 3 pt implement right now.

So loading up a tractor and taking it in for repairs is a hassle ?
These guys need vet visits and they do NOT fit in the family SUV (-:
Vet repairs ain't cheap, so might as well fix the smoking 'n dying tractor )-;

 

[gengine]

White smoke is either un-burnt diesel or "burning" water. I'm pretty sure that is it un-burnt fuel coming out of the crank case vent, or a water drain hole on the elbow of your exhaust pipe. Definatly worth tracking down though. Water drains are usually a thumb screw on the bottom of a glass or plastic sediment bowl, or a thumb screw on the bottom of the filter itself. However, since it runs and your getting a lot of black smoke before it chugs and dies, make sure all of your air intake lines are clear, even after the filter. I have found mice nests piled up against the turbo. Now, If I remember your tractor right, the fuel filter is inside the sediment bowl, on the back of the tractor on the right side. I could be completly off. Some one here will hopefully correct me. I'll be following along to see where things lead. Good luck!

 

[rcurrie]

Both white and black smoke out of the exhaust can be unburnt fuel on a deisel. Black smoke is usually caused by not enough air to burn fuel, usually a restiction in the intake such as plugged air filter, or turbo failure. White exhaust smoke can be unburnt fuel caused by low compression, injection timing out or it can also be caused by coolant being burned. Does the engine sound like it is being put under load before it quits as this could be caused by a stuck hyd. valve.