Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns?

   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #41  
I found with the older engines that the smoking can be the head gasket.
I replaced the one on my Vanguard and it was involved, but other then the valves, not too difficult if you take some pictures during disassembly.

I think it's possibly the valve stem seals if it's not an L-Heaad engine.

If it smokes mostly at start-up, it's most likely valve stem seals and they're usually not worth messing with. Unless it's bad.

 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #42  
This was the same procedure I used for the head gasket replacement, minus the valve seals.

First day I removed the cowling etc.
Then I did the head gasket and valve adjustment to show my son.

He had never taken an engine apart before.
Total time - 4 hours, including stopping a lot to show him how the parts all work.

The engine runs great now, but the mower it is in has a worn torsion bar hanger so does not like to move.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #43  
I would stay away from the Cub Cadet RZT's. It really depends on how much mowing and terrain. I have 3 Zero Turns, Cub Cadet Tank M48 Commercial, John Deer Z810A, Cub Cadet RZT 42. First 2 are outstanding mowers, Cub Cadet RZT 42 is pure junk. Constantly breaking down if I get 3 mows before I breakdown with it I play powerball. Cub Cadet Tanks are great especially if you get one of the older ones made by Lesco.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #44  
Like most of us, I've had a few lawn tractors and push mowers but always stayed clear of zero turn mowers because of the expense for a machine that just mowed lawns. That was a huge mistake. My Toro Timecutter SS5425 zero turn mower is a luxury mower for $3800 CAD.

I tried some of the other brands and decided to buy another lawn tractor. Then three years ago I took the Toro for a test mow. This mower is so intuitive and simple to drive that it felt much like my Harley Softail. You just think where it should go next and it seems to understand. This was an investment that should have been made decades ago, even for triple the price. If you have many obstacles to avoid on your lawn, you need a zero turn mower. It mows my 1+ acre in half the time of any lawn tractor and it's fun.

A trailer ball also allows it to haul half a cord of wood that can back right inside the rear of the garage. Try the Toro. You'll fall in love.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #45  
Any diesel engine with only 800 hours on it sounds pretty appealing to me. My JD 655 is basically a tank.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #46  
I saw them in Lowe's or home Depot I can't remember honestly wasn't impressed didn't seem any better than the Craftsman or Husqvarna that was in there.
They have a real frame. I mow 7 acres of my hay field with my Cub Cadet Zero Turn....ZT2 54" Bought at Home Depot paid $4143.74 sept 2020 I love it. I used to mow with a 4' brush cutter and two john deere L180 mowers....this is much faster....very happy with the money I spent....just saves time and does not get stuck at much as the John Deere riding mowers....
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #47  
Interesting comments. I have a 13 year old Craftsman LT2000 17.5 hp bought new with 48” deck and mulcher that has done serious work clearing bramble, fern and tall grasses as well as doing the lawn around the house. I’m seriously impressed with it and when/if it fails I would be considering something similar or the same if they still make them. When you’re only looking after an acre I don’t need top of the range mowers; just something reliable, powerful and most of all: economical.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #48  
Big box mowers . . .

Bought a brand new Husqvarna 46" riding mower/garden tractor from Lowes in 2011 or early 2012. It has a Kohler "Cowardice" engine, excuse me Kohler "Courage" engine. It currently has 202 hours on it, I don't use it particularly hard, it is maintained according to the schedule, and the area I mow is fairly smooth, no rocks, rebars, cement blocks, etc. This mower should be living the life of Reilly, right?

Well, not exactly.

Understand that I'm 74, and have owned and worked on over 150 cars since I was 16 - all kinds of stuff, ridiculous to the sublime, Porsches, nine Jaguars (I learn, slowly, but I do learn), Mercedes (old and new), Lotus Elan (!), Volvo, Fiat, MG, El Camino, Ford, Chevvy, the list goes on and on, also uncounted motorcycles, a three boats (ugh), a couple of airplanes, a tractor and more AND a 4,500 sf building chock full of tools which I have a pretty good idea of how to use and I've taught in trade schools and publish technical books on airplanes and motorcycles, so I have a pretty good idea of which end of a screwdriver to hammer on, and I take care of stuff - good care.

This Husqvarna perfectly fits the description of "Designed by morons, assembled by chimpanzees, sold by charlatans" and the last part is "to fools", and I evidently have to plead guilty. This mower is the worst, least reliable, crankiest, all-around vilest piece of vehicular garbage it has ever been my displeasure to be afflicted with.

Optional sunshade didn't fit, it sagged down over my eyes in ten minutes, bracing it and making sure the hardware was correct and correctly installed made no difference. It was only $60, Lowes was far away, it wasn't worth fighting over.

Both aluminum blade spindles broke - fixed under warranty by dealer (30 miles away).

Anti-vibration straps on hood fell off. I left them off and took the hood off for better visibility and for better service access, which I have needed a LOT.

The gas tank filler is partially blocked by the cowling. You are WELL advised to let the engine cool completely before attempting to fill the gas tank because it is almost impossible to refuel without splashing fuel on the hot engine. The tank itself is opaque plastic so you never know the fuel level unless you check constantly or it overflows on being filled. Talk about dumb design . . .

Two welds on the mower deck broke, dropping it to the ground. Fixed under warranty by same dealer.

Pulley bolt on the deck worked loose (evidently never tightened), ruined the drive belt. Replaced with decent quality hardware, the OEM bolt was as soft as butter. If there is such a thing as a Grade Zero bolt, this is it. You could practically squeeze it gently and leave fingerprints in the metal.

Both front tires dry rotted. Husqvarna supplied inner tubes under "We're doing you a favor" warranty program. (That was inside of six months from date of purchase.) Got the usual "Gee, we've never seen that before" line of BS from them before they asked for my shipping address,

Steering spindles loose, mower steered about as well as an epileptic spider on roller skates on ice. Shimmed with washers, now it more or less goes where I want it to. It'll never be a sports car, but at least now it will go in a straight line. Almost. Sometimes.

Oil quick-drain loose, it was less than two turns from falling out, which would have poured hot oil on my left foot and blown the engine because ALL the oil would have been on my left foot and none left in the crankcase. Teflon tape, tightened and safety wired, so that should be the end of that issue.

Deck baffles vibrated apart, locked up the mower and bent a blade. Not once, but twice. Fortunately, these are on eBay for $12 or so and I'm getting good at changing them. I am also keeping a spare on the shelf, I *KNOW* I'll need it sooner or later.

Muffler vibrated apart - replaced. 135 hours.

Carb rebuilt twice in 200 hours, still ran like warmed over cr*p. Finally bought a replacement carb (eBay again) for about 1/5 of what the dealer wanted, discovered that the intake manifold gasket under the carb spacer (which is why I didn't catch it on the two rebuilds) was installed folded from the factory and there was a big air leak in the intake tract, which MIGHT explain why the mower always ran lean, stank of gas, started hard, backfired and seemed to lack power. After 200 hours of ownership, now it seems to run at least decently. (Keeping fingers crossed.)

One of the carb rebuilds was prompted by large clouds of white smoke from the exhaust, it seems the float sank and filled the crankcase with gasoline. Drained and refilled everything, the carb kit had two different length needle valves with no instructions or any way to tell which was which. Took a chance, at least it didn't run any worse, so evidently I guessed right.

FOUR batteries so far, it needs a new one every 24 to 30 months, mower is stored inside, never gets cold, and on a charge maintainer. Good old WalMart, $27 a pop, at least they are close.

Deck washout plug broke off/fell apart, evidently from the extreme stress of being exposed to sunlight. Replaced.

Slap it together and get it out the door. Lowes' warranty is (or was, it is long expired) "Bring it here, we'll get back to you within six to eight weeks, it could be more."

I've had old, tired 50's vintage Fiats that ran better and were more dependable than this Husqvarna mower, and that should tell us something.

I'm now mowing with the Kubota, and there is a zero-turn mower in our future, which is why I'm reading this thread. The Husqvarna is going to be used as an aircraft tug, we'll see if it likes that better. Or maybe I'll just blow it up and claim it as a casualty loss.

Friends don't let friends buy Husqvarna garden tractors.

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #49  
One of my favorite mowers is an old MTD gear drive turfpro from the late 80s with a 38" deck It wont die I currently use it to mow in between xmas trees. You can see through the deck, and its using a cut up def container for the discharge chute lol. It can climb hills better than any new hydro has the original turf tires they are loaded with tire slime though. I also have a Honda 3813 liquid cooled runs amazing after I cleaned out the mice, changed the timing belt, and charge coil. Finally I have a pair of 212 JD paid less than 500 for one running with a deck, and 70 for another non running with deck until I got it. Both run amazing now. My wife only uses the Husqvarna MZT 52 zero turn for the Lawn. Doesn't bother me Just my check book, I like the old Iron.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns?
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I ended up scoring this simplicity champion with 800 hours for 1300 bucks. got it home cleaned it up pulled off the "turbo" bagger system and ran it around the property and mowed roughly an acre of 1ft tall grass and weeds. it left some scragglers but i went back on a second pass and nailed it. i really like this thing but it was rode hard and put up wet. i ordered some maintenance stuff but i think ill turn around and sell it and just bite the bullet for a new zero turn. this thing is made like a tank, i might just buy a new simplicity zero turn lol
 

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