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hobbyfarm · Aug 2, 2005

( ...how to make some sort of a "t" adapter with a valve...)

Like BigPete, I also hat to reply to myself. (Too close to answering yourself while talking to yourself /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)

If one were really good, make the valve left-foot operated and you'd never miss a beat working it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ljrobinson · Aug 2, 2005

My uneducated guess would be 4 models like the 3000 and 4000 series.

2120 @ 18 hP
2320 @ 22 hp
2520 @ 25 hp
and a 2720 @ 28-29 hp.

Deere needs a subcompact line up to better compete with Kubota as previously metioned. They also need something to encourage 2305 owners up the "ladder" to a little bigger tractor with more options and creature comforts.

I love the look of the 2305 but I am a bit dissappointed that Deere did not think to include options like (1) a foldable ROPS, (2) tilt steering and (3) a more modern looking dash / instrument panel.

Any idea how long until the x500 series is up dated or dropped from the line up? The 2210 was introduced shortly after the x series.

Just some thoughts

kennyd · Aug 3, 2005

( This is where it gets confusing,,
there was a kit for the 4100/4110, and that one needed rear
hydraulic kit, which was just a relocation of the loader control lines...

ROCKSHAFT LIFT KIT
This new independent lift system (LVB25010) for the 4110
and 4100 mid-mower decks frees up the use of the rear
rockshaft. This enables the mid-mount mower deck to
remain attached while using a rear implement. A hydraulic
cylinder raises and lowers the mid-mount mower completely
independently of the rockshaft. This is available as a
field installed option.
Note: Tractors must be equipped with LVB25138 (attaching
parts) and LVBM19707 (rear hydraulic coupler) 
)

Dutch, do you have any more info on this kit(LVB25010)? Like a price?

Redfox · Aug 3, 2005

( My uneducated guess would be 4 models like the 3000 and 4000 series.

2120 @ 18 hP
2320 @ 22 hp
2520 @ 25 hp
and a 2720 @ 28-29 hp.
)

What about the:
4115 - 24 HP
4210 - 28 HP
4310 - 32 HP
4410 - 35 HP

Deere also tends to over emphasize HP on the smaller tractors by stating the rating at a higher RPM. So although the HP rating on a 4115 and the 2320 appear similar, the 4115 has the bigger engine.

Dutch445 · Aug 3, 2005

Ken,
The system says it has a list price of $446, but they only show 7 kits in Deere's inventory. I suspect it isn't a big
seller. I know I have yet to sell one.

Most of the time, the lock up kit does the job, and frees up
the 3ph. With the 2210/2305 there is the lock position for the deck with the mower height selector knob, which the 4110 doesn't have.

There have been previous threads on home made cylinders
for the mower lift. I believe for the 2210....

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rockyridgefarm · Aug 3, 2005

Deere also tends to over emphasize HP on the smaller tractors by stating the rating at a higher RPM. 

That bugged me, too. Then I noticed that almost all brands are doing that on the small machines.

My guess is that these machines are intended primarily as mowers and the rating is closer to where they are operated in the real world. So it is safe to compare sub-CUT numbers to other sub-CUTs but buyers need to realize that there are different yardsticks when comparing them to CUTs.....

rockyridgefarm · Aug 3, 2005

...If they are going to do this, they should have done it with a diverter or some independant control, this does not seem like a great way to plumb the cylinder... 

So go I take it you aren't gonna buy a 2503 after all?!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

kennyd · Aug 3, 2005

Thanks Dutch, that sure is pricey. I would like to have a look at one though...But cannot find it in JDParts. Any chance they will put them in the 50% off clearence bin /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dutch445 · Aug 3, 2005

It's odd they don't have it in the parts system, and the system doesn't have what they call the bundle breakdown. Usually, these kits can be broken down by parts included and searched that way... But, nothing is coming up.

I really don't think they sell many of them, especially
with only a handful available at the warehouse.

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Malvern · Aug 3, 2005

I came home from work yesterday, my wife said she had some good news and bad news for me /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Right away I thought she wrecked our new F150 but no she said. She told me she wrecked the horse trailer, tore off a marker light and put a huge dent in the fender /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. After 3 hours and 25 tools I had it all fixed up. Later in the evening she said you want to trade up for that new John Deere /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif(feeling sorry that she wrecked the trailer I think) I couldn't give her an answer. I guess I'll sleep on for a few days. (hoping she might dent something else) so I could get more.

Life is good /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Malvern

orangebluegreen · Aug 3, 2005

Looks like the cruise has no “resume” like the bigger JD’s have. In my opinion a cruise without resume is a brick. Same goes for Kubota.

I swear the people who “design” these things must never have spent any time cutting grass on a small tractor. Maybe they should have a look at the lowly Craftsman and figure out the combination of brake and clutch in the same pedal is a pretty good idea for when one encounters bumps and needs to slow down but wants to resume their previous speed once past the obstacle. Most of us who are primarily mowing with these have no need for dual brakes, so the clutch brake setup on the CUT’s with a TRUE live independent PTO would be great. The brake on the right on Kubota’s is absolutely the most useless thing I’ve ever seen, looks impossible to use. I read the manual for the new JD and see no mention of resume, so I’ll assume it’s not there, what a disappointment. Kubota comes close with a clutch on their B7510/7610/2410 but it also disengages the mid PTO. If Sears would start building a garden tractor with a locking rear differential (traction sucks on my Craftsman) and power steering (for us guys that are getting older and less tolerant of more work than needed) IMO they could hammer the sales of CUT/SUB-CUT’s for those who don’t need a loader. I do need a loader so that’s why I’m looking, but **** frustrating to not see the simple things that are truly needed.

Almost all the small tractors I’ve looked at look like they’ve been designed by the sales committee. Along with being able to mention cruise control in their pretty color brochure (never mind it is useless) the fad of sloped hood is not so great to anyone who used a machine for construction and home building. Yes sloped may look great and give better view of the loader (same thing could be accomplished with a wide enough bucket and sloped arms, but to those of us who are used to climbing up the seat, onto the hood, and up into the loader to trim tress or nail boards etc, well....sloped isn’t such a great idea.

Are you listening Big3?

rockyridgefarm · Aug 3, 2005

I have the resume cruise, but when I am in the situation you describe, I am cruise off and the hst pedals do just what I want. Brake pedals? They are used for parking...

 but to those of us who are used to climbing up the seat, onto the hood, and up into the loader to trim tress or nail boards etc, well....sloped isn’t such a great idea. 

Don't worry, they ARE listening. The legal department is all over this... They really DON"T want you making a scaffold out of that tractor, There IS a conspiracy!!

orangebluegreen · Aug 3, 2005

Most of my property is very smooth, but after 15 years of mowing it, I know where every hole is that bounce the tires off the ground on the Craftsman, so I hit the clutch to go over them and then on my way. Seems the setup like on your 4310 would work out similar. I assume you’re able to travel faster than what the mower can do a good job at, so getting back to that correct speed without effort is the goal (assuming you mow with the 4310). Bigger tires of the CUT’s or a Ferris ZTR are likely the answer.

>>The legal department is all over this... They really DON"T want you making a scaffold out of that tractor, There IS a conspiracy!!

Guess a remote controlled loader to lift myself up and down would be out of the question then /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rockyridgefarm · Aug 3, 2005

I don't see what the difference would be mowing with any HST machine, feathereing the pedal for the bumps is their strong point. There is no need for the clutch.

I have 'heard' of a guy who cuts limbs with a gas polesaw from the raised bucket of his 4310. It really gets scary when his wife is driving said tractor at the same time... I haven't seen this myself...

Back to the thread...

I think thie hst setup would do a fine job for you, just have to think it a bit different than the Craftsman setup...

megotatractor · Aug 3, 2005

Someone on here said the new 2305 enters the market at a lower price than the 2210. Looking closely I can see one or two visual clues to this cost saving which make me think I'm quite happy with my 2210. One; look at the new "cheap" side screens and the less surface area for cooling air to enter. The side screens on the 2210 can allow a lot of air in even if the front grill is full of dandelion fluff and other weedy lawn debirs that I get here in the country every time I mow, or the ice that builds up on the grill in winter. 2305 might get a little hot. TWO; cheap looking headlights. so, three; where else did they cut corners?? 'cept the new motor might be a bit quieter...

orangebluegreen · Aug 3, 2005

I’m sure the HST is fine if one gets used to always having their foot on the pedal, but seems it would get monotonous. In theory cruise with resume or a clutch that does not disengage the mid PTO solves the problem of slowing for bumps. Most of us used to garden tractors are used to having our feet free and not having to use them. I often sit side saddle to watch a log or a trailer being pulled and can control movement if need be by pushing in the clutch located on the left side with my right foot. I’m obviously not the only one considering these things because JD addresses them on the bigger tractors....like the “Speedmatch” which would definitely make things easier to keep a set speed known to be just right for mowing. We have a lot of Bahia in Florida that is hard to cut at high speed, the seed stalks bend over and don’t cut unless you set the deck lower than you really care to. The speed match would be great in such case so you wouldn’t have to guess how fast you’re going after slowing up for bumps, set the Speedmatch and push the pedal to the floor. Unfortunate these options are not on the smaller JD’s. Those of us looking at the small tractors are doing so because of obstacles in the yard or we would have the biggest meanest machine one could buy.

So as not to create a new post.....

To those questioning a lower price. Consider perhaps they are already overpriced and the market has reached a level of saturation? Certainly there is enough margin for them to pull back on price especially considering the price of the competition. Increased efficiencies in manufacture, distribution etc can all be factors, doesn’t necessarily mean less quality. I would like to know if there’s a dealer hold back like auto manufactures have with their dealers. Working a price backward off MSRP is useless compared to working price UP from dealer cost.

Lobo56 · Aug 3, 2005

Front grill looks about a 1/3 smaller then the 2210.

beenthere · Aug 3, 2005

The HST has probably been the most popular feature of the new CUT lines across the board, but just my opinion.
I have it and wouldn't ever imagine going back to not having hands free to steer, run the hydraulics, and pick my nose or whatever (even swat at some bugs).
I wondered about it before my first Deere 425, but have fell in love with it quickly on everything I drive now. But try it, as if running a plow across the field, or other ground engaging field equipment, then a clutch-works might be best. But for loader work, HST really beats everything it replaces. Effortless and quick forward to reverse or reverse to forward, without touching the gear shift lever. The cruise works great for any 'long distance' mundane speed. Never think about it being a chore having one foot on the forward or reverse pedals. It just rests there anyway.
Again, just my opinion. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

megotatractor · Aug 4, 2005

say, would that maybe be a one piece "clamshell" hood/engine cover???

JD2210MAN · Aug 5, 2005

Quote... one piece "clamshell" hood/engine cover???

Looking on jdparts it is at least 5 parts (Hood, grill, left lower, right lower and rear shroud).

We only have 4 on the 2210 (Hood, grill, left and right).