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[rockyridgefarm]

Remember the poster that had his Hoe snapped onto a third SCV? Imagine how HIS dealer would hook this up.... Where DO you put the bungee cord...

 

[Dutch445]

This stuff is buried DEEP!

But, here is a pic of this kit from it's instructions,,
and it does say to hook they hydraulic line into the
yellow line on the tractor, which is supposed to be
the dump circuit.

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[Dutch445]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Remember the poster that had his Hoe snapped onto a third SCV? Imagine how HIS dealer would hook this up.... Where DO you put the bungee cord... )</font>

Have we heard from him? did they ever figure that one out at
the dealer?
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[JDFANATIC]

From Deere Bulletin Commercial-05-60 (thanks JohnDeere2210) dated 1 August 2005, it says the following:

"The 2305 replaces the 2210 and builds on its legacy of success with more power, new styling, and additional features, including a new cruise control option. Best of all, the 2305 enters the market at an even lower price than the 2210 Compact Tractor!"

It makes you wonder how they accomplished this all -- anyway kudos to Deere for improving a tractor it was hard to imagine needed improvement! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Yeah, the lift cylinder has a quick coupler, so you lose dump to raise the deck. That should be OK on this size machine.

A lot of mowing would be done with the loader removed, this is a finish mower, not a shredder.

If you did have the loader on, your probably gonna use it to pick up rocks and stuff, and don't need to dump (as much)

hey, a diverter would be nicer, but this is an option.

I think I better go find some tidbit out, ol' Dutch is starting to show me Up!!

 

[Redfox]

Deere has too many tractors of similar size and power. They should seriously consider paring down the selection. The X, 2305, 4010, 4110, and 4115 are way too close. They could lose the diesel option in the X, and get rid of the 4010 and 4110 and still have a very robust product line.

 

[Dutch445]

With that said,
and the announcement of the 2305,,
where do we think the next replacements will be?

2320, 4110 replacement at 22hp?
2520, 4115 replacement at 25hp?

any thoughts?

The 2305 is still a 2210 sized tractor with limited cat 1 hitch, so I'm sure they will keep some models between the 2305 and 3120,, but what could it be?

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[rockyridgefarm]

Look at Kubota's lineup around 30Hp. Deere needs a B3030 smasher...

 

[Lobo56]

If the price is going to be lower then 2210. Something has to be made alittle cheaper or not as good like more plastic.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Look at Kubota's lineup around 30Hp. Deere needs a B3030 smasher... )</font>

B7800 smasher... those outsell 3030's almost 3-1. However at that point they would have to discount the new 2305 and intermediate models substantialy below where they are now if they are going to be price competitive.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yeah, the lift cylinder has a quick coupler, so you lose dump to raise the deck. That should be OK on this size machine. )</font>

So how do you hold the mower up with the loader coupler connected? What about mowing with the loader on? Would you dump the bucket and drive around with the loader raised so it does not drag on the ground. If they are going to do this, they should have done it with a diverter or some independant control, this does not seem like a great way to plumb the cylinder.

 

[Dutch445]

It's just one hose,, unplug the bucket dump cylinder hoses, it shouldn't go anywhere with the hoses unplugged, and mow. when you need the loader bucked curl and dump function again, just unplug the 1 hose and replug in the 2 for the bucket... ????

 

[PDe]

<font color="blue"> (It makes you wonder how they accomplished this all -- anyway kudos to Deere for improving a tractor it was hard to imagine needed improvement!) </font>

Sans a few leaking 3pt hitch plates... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[rockyridgefarm]

<font color="blue"> not as good like more plastic.
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Plastic is CHEAPER? Not as good?

One of the biggest selling points for me IS the Deere 'plastic'. The color is molded in, it takes abuse like nobody's business.... Deere doesn't use it top cut costs.

Actually the biggest cost cutter has already been alluded to. Cut down the number of models and make more std. equipment.

 

[beenthere]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Every time you raise and lower the boom the mower goes up and down?? I hope not. )</font>

I suspect the engineers are a bit more bright than that. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[beenthere]

And that I think has been said elsewhere, that they likely know this, and have such plans. Fits with the new numbers beginning with the 2210, the 3x20 series, and the changes in the FEL size and numbering system. You are quick to point this out.
I suspect its hard to introduce changes when the demand for the present product models is still high.

 

[megotatractor]

Looks to have a lower hood line than the 2210. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice. I want one....

 

[bigpete]

<font color="blue"> Position control on the 3PH?
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I hate to reply to myself, but /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I just browsed the owners manual. It appears that the 3PH is still stop-and-drop. I have to say that one of the biggest advantages my 4110 has over my late, great, 2210 is the position control. That possible improvement must have been a big cost load. What about the hydraulic flow and pressure? Has the volume and pressure been increased?

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[JDFANATIC]

Pete,

I think you said it all... If Deere added position control on the 3PH and increased the hydraulic pressure, there would be a lot of higher priced models taking a big depreciation hit. They still want/need to move users up through the model range. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[755inNY]

Dutch,

When I read the first few posts on the independent mower deck lift I thought it to be like on the JD755. The mower deck lift cylinder on the 755 was operated by the curl circuit of the loader but did not require disconnecting or reconnecting hoses. With both implements attached if you wanted to do loader work without moving the deck, you raised the deck all the way (full bucket curl) and then rotated the height adjuster full clockwise (about 1 1/2 turns from the cutting position) to lock the deck in the raised position. If you wanted to use the deck with the loader attached JD provide a pin for the bucket to keep the bucket from moving. This was not really necessary because the bucket dumped only slightly when the deck was lowered.

The need to connect/disconnect hydraulic hoses on the new series seems like a design leap backwards.

Jeff

 

[hobbyfarm]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It's just one hose,, unplug the bucket dump cylinder hoses, it shouldn't go anywhere with the hoses unplugged, and mow. when you need the loader bucked curl and dump function again, just unplug the 1 hose and replug in the 2 for the bucket... ????
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You know, some enterprising and inventive soul will figure out how to make some sort of a "t" adapter with a valve to divert oil from one circuit to the other. So you don't really lose much time if you need to "dump" while mowing all of a sudden.

Just a thought.

I'm kind of disappointed about the tiny 20 amp alternator. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif