Security & Theft Securing tractor from theft

   / Securing tractor from theft #21  
If you have railroad ties, etc... you can build an L shaped bunker to park the tractor. This prevents a thief from towing it up on a flatbed. It makes it **** hard if you can't get it started yourself, since towing is virtually out of the question...

IowaAndy
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #22  
CurlyDave said:
Ideas to deter theft?

Insurance policy. Mine is ridiculously inexpensive.

I'd be curious to see what a policy is for a tractor on unoccupied land would be...My thoughts are it would NOT be cheap...Because it just seems to be asking to be taken...:rolleyes:
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #23  
AndyinIowa said:
If you have railroad ties, etc... you can build an L shaped bunker to park the tractor. This prevents a thief from towing it up on a flatbed. It makes it **** hard if you can't get it started yourself, since towing is virtually out of the question...

IowaAndy

That's a joke right? a 99$ chainsaw and about 5 minutes or less of work will yeild a pile of sawdust and a gone tractor!

soundguy
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #25  
i bought several of those master python cable locks and i thread them through the wheels and around my steel fence posts
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #26  
I may have the answer... Anti-Theft-Device-Video :eek:

If not, there are a lot of good idea's to start with... I would say a couple of tires and the battery is a good start... :confused:

Good Luck, I am thinking about the same, however I may plan to just park it in the garage, however that does not help your situation...

Be sure to let us know what you wind up with, most of the time those with situations like yours will come up with the best plan.
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #27  
Cyberroc said:
I may have the answer... Anti-Theft-Device-Video :eek:

If not, there are a lot of good idea's to start with... I would say a couple of tires and the battery is a good start... :confused:

Good Luck, I am thinking about the same, however I may plan to just park it in the garage, however that does not help your situation...

Be sure to let us know what you wind up with, most of the time those with situations like yours will come up with the best plan.
when I was working with a firm in the early 2000, that had a ground station in SA, the guys out there told me about this anti-car jack deterent device. They shopwed us pics and told uis the problem was pretty bad and that htat is how some rental agencies and regular people reacted.

but on the more US realistic side, as the SA device is inefficient by US standards (it leaves traces behind),in addition to the other devices mentioned, why not just booby trap the with a device that will douse itch and sneezing powders all over them, and also have a the electronics send you a page or an email to let you know someone has broken in to your building and into your unit. The 2 powders will slow them down quite a bit and then the paging to you and/or the local authorities will bring help. Also a well hidden low-jack will lead the authorities to the "perps", axx-hxlxs for short.
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #28  
hench861 said:
i bought several of those master python cable locks and i thread them through the wheels and around my steel fence posts

I bet an abrasive wheel would go thru one of those lickety split.

soundguy
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #29  
One of my previous means of making a living was as an electronics design engineer. I love to tinker and have a good imagination. I can build lots of cute anti-theft devices.

You can remove your wheels, chain your steering wheel, remove fuses and on and on and on and it probably won't add much more than 15-30 seconds (if any added time at all) to the time it takes to winch the tractor onto a trailer and drive off. A battery operated angle grinder will unlock just about every chain, cable and similar restraint in a few seconds.

If you make your security routine complicated enough you won't religiously apply it.

Recorded low light video of ski masked perpetrators with covered lisc plates on their vehicle might be able to be sold to some TV video show but will not enable the cops to return your tractor any better/faster.

Theft deterrents have to meet certain criteria to be effective. Either physically make the theft hard to impossible (Locked in a secure bld - see note #1) attract unwanted attention to the thieves, reliably notify you of a theft in progress so cops can be dispatched (or you can investigate, preferably armed and mentally prepared to take care of business) or something similar to LOJAK needs to be used.

Note#1: so you buy or rent a 20 ft shipping container and lock the tractor inside. Now you loose a tractor and an expensive box at the same time. The battery operated angle grinder will open one of those containers like it was a tin of sardines. ( I have two of these containers and they only keep honest or unprepared people honest.)

I pay $5/month for the cell phone backup on my alarm system. If an alarm was installed on the tractor (with cell module) It can call the cops or you or both in case the tractor is tilted ( a virtual mandatory requirement to load it) Of course you need cell coverage in your area. A call to the cops or you is much better than a video of ski masked thieves driving away with your tractor.

Decades ago I designed a theft deterrent system for (mostly) heavy equipment which is often left at a job site. It routinely and frequently sent an "I'm OK" message. If the message was overdue it was assumed someone disabled the alarm so disabling the alarm actually was the alarm situation. Starting the equipment or tilting it or any of a number of things set off the alarm via radio (would use cell phone now.) No way to defeat this system as anything which turned the alarm off was in fact the alarm signal.

LOJACK type equipment is a very good approach.

Playing with the wheels, fuses, chains, cables and such are just whistling in the dark. Anyone with an abrasive cut off blade in a battery operated tool, a winch, and a trailer can load and go in less than 2 minutes without starting or steering the tractor. The only thieves deterred might be Halloween pranksters and the severely retarded. You will be inconvenienced more than a thief.

If you have or can get phone service to the place you park your tractor, do so. Install a monitored alarm system with cell phone backup. The phone line and the alarm system can go inside a very secure box (DIY steel and or steel reinforced concrete) The tractor is connected to the alarm system by hardwire. breaking or cutting the wire sets off the alarm and contacts the monitoring company. Disabling the phone line causes the cell module to send the signal to the monitoring company who in turn calls the cops and you or your designees.

It is unlikely that thieves will arrive with a trencher to encircle your location cutting the phone lines so you may decide to save $ and take the risk and not have a cell backup.

Alternatively you can just burn incense on Saturday night and think pure thoughts as that will be as effective as fuses, chains, cables, removing wheels, and such. It isn't like a thief really cares if the tractor will start or steer when the tractor is taken. All your clever tricks can be removed at his leisure AFTER he has your tractor where he wants it.

Here is a Myth Buster type challenge... Anyone can enter the competition. You don't have to be over 18 to win or buy anything.

Detail a method that will effectively prevent theft of a tractor parked in a field. The theft deterrent has to be something that is not so much hassle for the owner that he won't keep using it.

If neither SoundGuy, N-80, nor myself can't see a way to defeat the theft deterrent, then your method will be logged into the semi finals. Advancing from the semi finals to the finals will be based on the three judges voting on the candidate solutions. Wining the final round will get your name placed into a drawing where you may qualify for a swell prize. Good luck.

Pat
 
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   / Securing tractor from theft #30  
Armed guard, 27/7. You didn't say it had to be cheap...

GS
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #31  
GilaSlim said:
Armed guard, 27/7. You didn't say it had to be cheap...

GS

Sorry but you are penalized 15 yards for the suggestion of excessively long days. I think 24/7 would have been plenty. You are not disqualified per se but does the cost of 24/7 armed guard exceed what the owner is willing to pay on a continuing basis?

From the statement of the original challenge - - -

"The theft deterrent has to be something that is not so much hassle for the owner that he won't keep using it."

If the owner will now stipulate his willingness to pay for a 24/7 armed guard for the duration the tractor is at this site while the site is not an occupied residence then your entry is valid. Failing to get this stipulation disqualifies your entry.

Note, there is no limit to the number of times you may enter the contest.

Pat
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #33  
I smell a niche for a buisness here.

You sell a gps tracking unit that fits on the tractor somewhere out of sight. Then you sell monitoring service. If the tractor moves more than a predetermined distance from the area it normally is stored then the monitoring service calls the owner to see if he has it on a trailer. If the owner is not the one monitoring it then the monitoring service calls the police and vectors them to the area where the tractor is. You could make a specially designed taillight with the gps tracking unit in it or something of that nature.

Pat you want to help me design it and put up some investment capital.

we could give a 15 per cent discount to TBNers
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #34  
One Question Does the tractor have hydraulics? Or better yet a bucket and/or backhoe? I will have a similar situation with a property I am looking to build on later this year or early next. Lucky for me I will have family close enough to assist.

This is just one of my ideas that relate to the concept of deterrent with a side of misdirection.

Ignition with an under the hood shut off along with a driver activated switch, such as having to activate a turn signal or other button along with the ignition. So basically a 3 stage ignition, this should keep the less than professional away and you should also take your battery.

The second part will take pouring a heavy concrete axel locks. These are connected to steel arms that can be lifted over the axel using your tractors FEL or BH, thus requiring a running tractor to remove. Last, reworked hydro lines with removable sections that have the same ends. For example if the removable sections have both ends that are male, even if the sections of hose that are left on the tractor happen to be long enough to reach, it will have the same end as the receiver and therefore cannot be plugged in. This will help in case they brought an extra (or use their truck) battery and were able to bypass the 3 stage ignition.

I have a few others I am considering, however this was one of the cheapest options as it only requires wire, steel, and concrete
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #35  
Cyberroc said:
Ignition with an under the hood shut off along with a driver activated switch, such as having to activate a turn signal or other button along with the ignition. So basically a 3 stage ignition, this should keep the less than professional away and you should also take your battery.
new batt, jumper power to the fuel solenoid on the injection pump (assuming a diesel), screwdriver or a short jumper wire to the starter, tractor runs (not important with a rolloff truck or a tilt bed trailer and a winch.

The second part will take pouring a heavy concrete axel locks. These are connected to steel arms that can be lifted over the axel using your tractors FEL or BH, thus requiring a running tractor to remove.
not quite visualizing these, what shape are they and how do they hold the axel still (are they C shaped and go over the axle?, how do they work?) if they are big enough that a 4.5" cutoff saw with an abrasive blade cant cut them and dont allow the tractor to be dragged they might help.

Last, reworked hydro lines with removable sections that have the same ends. For example if the removable sections have both ends that are male, even if the sections of hose that are left on the tractor happen to be long enough to reach, it will have the same end as the receiver and therefore cannot be plugged in.
on what? the FEL? the BH (if so equipped)
if it is on the FEL you would just remove the hose ends and the bucket will float, attatch a winch to it or under it and off you go. if it is on a BH, it might slow someone down, but if they have a comealong they can probably remove the hose end and pull the stabilizers up, having the boom out and dug in would make it harder, but we are getting to the edge of the "inconvient to use" stage.

the same thing could be done with a pair of female QD's one w/male threads and one w/female threads, however it would impede the flow of hyd fluid during normal operation.

these three together would probbaly stop most thieves, as it would make it inconvient to load the tractor however if they have a tilt bed hauler w/a winch, hotwiring skills, a few basic tools (2 10-12" adjustable wrenches and/or some big visegrips) and a comealong or two, they could likely load up in under 45 mins.

the trick would be to make it look like the tractor is either bad (major broken, in which case they might take it to part it out) or hard to get to (hard to do).


Aaron Z
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #36  
Well you could try disguising your tractor...:rolleyes:
 

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   / Securing tractor from theft #37  
PaulChristenson said:
Well you could try disguising your tractor...:rolleyes:
if you kept the OEM hand crank starter on that machine you could cause the thief to break an arm when the engine kicked back,


Aaron Z
 
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GilaSlim said:
Armed guard, 27/7. You didn't say it had to be cheap...

GS
I'm not Pat, Soundguy, or M80 but I can see through this one real easy. All it would take to bypass this guard is one necked woman. :)
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #39  
aczlan said:
if you kept the OEM hand crank starter on that machine you could cause the thief to break an arm when the engine kicked back,


Aaron Z

There you go.. reverse 2 plug wires when you leave then let some poor sucker hand crank it!

soundguy
 
   / Securing tractor from theft #40  
I think they call that lojack!

soundguy

gemini5362 said:
I smell a niche for a buisness here.

You sell a gps tracking unit that fits on the tractor somewhere out of sight. Then you sell monitoring service. If the tractor moves more than a predetermined distance from the area it normally is stored then the monitoring service calls the owner to see if he has it on a trailer. If the owner is not the one monitoring it then the monitoring service calls the police and vectors them to the area where the tractor is. You could make a specially designed taillight with the gps tracking unit in it or something of that nature.

Pat you want to help me design it and put up some investment capital.

we could give a 15 per cent discount to TBNers
 

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