Rural Garbage Service Mandatory ..

[Bird]

I know this is off subject but,


per the post master .Once put up, A mail box is federal property. Fliers on or in a mail box is illegal. There was a company putting fliers on mail boxes in the neighborhood. Post man got them & turned them in.Per the post man. The company leaving the fliers on the mail boxes was fined

That's what I was kidding Robert about. I'm not sure how long that law has existed, but I know it wasn't exactly new when I first went to work for the Post Office, temporary, part time, over 50 years ago.

 

[blueriver]

This afternoon I spoke with a buddy in Alabama, South Alabama. He said in 1995 the County Commission with out public vote, enforced MANDATORY garbage pick up for the entire county. Gave the county residents 1 yr to sign up and show proof. He said at first he fought the system, "BY GOD BE DARNED IF THEY TELL ME WHAT I AM GOING TO DO"

To his surprise about 16 months later he was served with papers that he had 90 days to show proof that he had employed the service of the Local County Gargage Service or was subject to fine and possible imprisonment!

The garbage service in his county was forced upon them and quess who owns the service? Yep, the County has a fleet of garbage trucks!!

He says today he would not trade that for anything! He loves it, no more burning! No more fiqureing how to get rid of the garbage. Since, they also have "A garbage Enforcement Officer" This guy goes after the people who are new and don't sign up, the ones who are past due ... and get this, part of his job is to search through any roadside garbage for possible proof of ownership!

I loved this ... He said just a few years back the county became aware of a new illegal dump site They ran a sting operation!!!

 

[LBrown59]

LBrown59,


Our city found that
If everyone on the street used a different company to pick up their trash .Trash pick up would cost more $ than it would to have 1 company pick up all the trash for that city's residents.

Didn't work that way here.
Instead having 1 company pick up all the trash for this towns residents ended up being the highest trash collections cost of all and not just for the cities residents but also for the rural residents living out side of the city.

 

[kenmac]

This afternoon I spoke with a buddy in Alabama, South Alabama. He said in 1995 the County Commission with out public vote, enforced MANDATORY garbage pick up for the entire county. Gave the county residents 1 yr to sign up and show proof. He said at first he fought the system, "BY GOD BE DARNED IF THEY TELL ME WHAT I AM GOING TO DO"

To his surprise about 16 months later he was served with papers that he had 90 days to show proof that he had employed the service of the Local County Gargage Service or was subject to fine and possible imprisonment!

The garbage service in his county was forced upon them and quess who owns the service? Yep, the County has a fleet of garbage trucks!!

He says today he would not trade that for anything! He loves it, no more burning! No more fiqureing how to get rid of the garbage. Since, they also have "A garbage Enforcement Officer" This guy goes after the people who are new and don't sign up, the ones who are past due ... and get this, part of his job is to search through any roadside garbage for possible proof of ownership!

I loved this ... He said just a few years back the county became aware of a new illegal dump site They ran a sting operation!!!

What county is he( your buddy) in ? the county I'm in has to go to the state legislature to get a law passed( good luck with that all our law makers can do is have fist fights on the chamber floors while in session )be-4 the county can enforce it . The county it self can't make laws, They can only enforce what state laws are on the books

 

[LBrown59]

In theory...
Lowest price per person - Mandatory with 1 company. Competitively bid contract.
Middle price per person - Non-mandatory with 1 company. Competitively bid contract.
Highest price per person - One company, no competitively bid contract.

*How it really worked here.
Private agreements between individual customers and haulers before the city got involved.
Hauler A $16 a month for 5 bags a week for limited service appliances and furniture $10 each item.
Hauler B $14 per month 6 bags a week for limited service large items $5 extra per item.
Hauler C $12 month No limit on bags per week and no extra charge for large items such as furniture and appliances.
Now enter the brilliant city negotiators who made this offer to the haulers.
$13 a month for 1 can a week plus $1 per each extra can for limited service and $15 extra for each large item.
The City screwed everybody in town on this one.
Well, one of the 3 haulers accepted this city offer and now we have Hauler D also known as City Mandatory Pick up; the most expensive of the 4 haulers.
The Sad thing is anybody and every body could have gone with The better service lower priced Hauler C but the city shot that opportunity out from under them with their Mandatory Policy.
Guess what happened to the other 2 Haulers once the city entered the picture.
They either closed up shop or jacked the price way up on their county customers in an effort to recoup their losses from losing their city customers.
Another example of how Mandatary pick up harms those who have nothing to do with the cities trash problem.
Either way The County Customer are indirectly subsidizing City Mandatory Trash pick up regulations.
This towns mandatory trash law has lead to 2 of the 3 haulers going out of business here.
With just 1 hauler left we now have a monopoly that has a captive city customer base.
With no competition outside the city they can pretty well demand what ever they want from us rural folks.
I believe this is one of the reasons this county has an illegal dumping problem.
The cities mandatory trash regulations has caused me to loose every good reasonably priced hauler I've had.
This is some of the ways a cities Mandatory Trash pick laws have a negative impact on the folks who aren't a part of the problem.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

For a litany of reasons, I'm making sure I NEVER live in the same area where LBrown is from

My property has 2 acres within "city limits" and 43 acres in unincorperated county. My house is in the city limits, so I have weekly city garbage pick up. Wouldn't have it any other way! Cost is less than $20 month, paid as part of the water/sewer bill. We even get two 65 gallon wheeled trash containers as part of the deal. MANDATED trash pick up may infringe upon personal freedoms to some, but it keeps the neighborhood clean for ALL. (That ol' "greater good" thing) Personally, I wouldn't want to live in an area where I was allowed to dump trash on my property, or even to burn whatever I wished to burn. I happen to like clean, healthy air that doesn't smell like burnt garbage.

County residents in this area have the option of trash pick up from one of three county aproved contractors. Not sure of cost. It must be reasonable, as I've not noticed anyone who DOESN'T use the service.

We have the right to burn, but NOT trash, plastic, rubber, roofing material, or any hazardous materials/fluids. Essentially, that leaves us the right to burn tree limbs/wood/yard waste/cardboard. Also, we are subject to "nuisance laws" enforcable at the discretion of city code enforcement officer. Long story short, Smoke out someones house and you get a visit from Code officer. Complaints are handled case by case. Be a reasonable neighbor who co-operates with the spirit of the law, no harm, no foul. Refuse to be a good citizen, get a citation.

I can take burnables out on to the "county" portion of my property and not be included in "city code"

Our little utopia is inhabited by friendly people who all seem to be considerate enough of each other to respect the rights of everyone. I've had 3 different neighbors come ask ahead of time if I minded them burning brush piles on property ajoining mine.

All it takes is decent, responsible folks who care about their community, their neighbors, and the world they live in. Apparently that's too much to ask in some places.

 

[Skyco]

All it takes is decent, responsible folks who care about their community, their neighbors, and the world they live in. Apparently that's too much to ask in some places.

And there you have it.
Unfortunately there seems to be an increase in the "I'm the only one that matters" mentality.

 

[MikePA]

Our little utopia is inhabited by friendly people who all seem to be considerate enough of each other to respect the rights of everyone. I've had 3 different neighbors come ask ahead of time if I minded them burning brush piles on property ajoining mine.

Some people either can not grasp the difference between burning trash and burning brush or they don't care. You have nice neighbors.

Unfortunately there seems to be an increase in the "I'm the only one that matters" mentality.

It's popular to ascribe this mentality to the younger generations. This thread proves being self centered is not a function of someones age.

 

[LBrown59]

Though burning is discouraged by law, it really is not enforced for the most part. I have an old 275 gallon oil tank with a hole cut into it that I use to burn paper. I only burn when it is safe.

1 of the results of a total burning ban is a lot of the stuff that was being burned ends up in illegal dumps .

What's worse in your opinion?
Illegal dumps or burning.

Just for the record my original statement was: ~ Burning bans are ridiculous
I did not say I was opposed to reasonable sensible logical burning rules or restrictions.

 

[MossRoad]

1 of the results of a total burning ban is a lot of the stuff that was being burned ends up in illegal dumps .

What's worse in your opinion?
Illegal dumps or burning.

Just for the record my original statement was: ~ Burning bans are ridiculous
I did not say I was opposed to reasonable sensible logical burning rules or restrictions.

The answer to your question regarding illegal dumps vs burning trash is kind of moot, since both are illegal here. Did you read anything in that link I posted about burning barrels?