Rifle advice

[Specop_007]

OK, to add to my previous post.

I agree with the point blank principle. **** I use it myself. The problem is, like anything, it can be used as a valuable aid or a crutch. MANY shooters will use it as a crutch.

I use it on my competition rifle. A 50 yard zero is the same as a 200 yard zero. So any targets I engage from 0-200 I just aim and go. Of course I have also done a LOT of shooting, and have shot at 25 and 100 to see where I'm hitting.

Now why I dont like the whole "Point blank" theory is most guys are going to read a little blurb on the internet, zero at that range and assume "Hey I can shoot out to 300 yards!" when that ISNT the case. There are a lot of variables in that and if you dumb it down for a "Fudd" he isnt going to really know where hes shooting and most of his hunting will invovle nothing more then a guess as to where he is shooting.

For example, if you do a point blank chart with a 26" barrel using a hot handload with a 150 grain bullet at 100 degree weather (summer) you CANNOT then use that information for a 18" scout type rifle using factory 180 grain bullets in sub zero temps (Deer hunting).

IT DOES NOT WORK. You CANNOT read a 2 paragraph blurb on the Intarwebz and suddenly be a masterful marksman capable of hitting vitals from 0-300 simply by zeroing at 249 yards. To even begin to support that idea is folly of the most negligent kind.

Now, the theory DOES work if the shooter does his due diligence. The shooter must use HIS rifle and the ammo HE uses and figure the ranges he wants with the variance from POI/POA that he wants.

You CANNOT rely on someone else to do this for you by reading a 2 paragraph blurb on the web. It will not work. In fact an astute reader will notice the 2 links I provided do not even list barrel lengths or ambient temperature and one of those links is from a manufacturer!!

The Point Blank theory is a wonderful tool IF the shooter does his due diligence to understand how his rifle operates. It is also a terrible crutch if the shooter does no more then read an article and sight in at the recommended zero distance.

 

[Steve C]

OK, to add to my previous post.

I agree with the point blank principle. **** I use it myself. The problem is, like anything, it can be used as a valuable aid or a crutch. MANY shooters will use it as a crutch.

I use it on my competition rifle. A 50 yard zero is the same as a 200 yard zero. So any targets I engage from 0-200 I just aim and go. Of course I have also done a LOT of shooting, and have shot at 25 and 100 to see where I'm hitting.

Now why I dont like the whole "Point blank" theory is most guys are going to read a little blurb on the internet, zero at that range and assume "Hey I can shoot out to 300 yards!" when that ISNT the case. There are a lot of variables in that and if you dumb it down for a "Fudd" he isnt going to really know where hes shooting and most of his hunting will invovle nothing more then a guess as to where he is shooting.

For example, if you do a point blank chart with a 26" barrel using a hot handload with a 150 grain bullet at 100 degree weather (summer) you CANNOT then use that information for a 18" scout type rifle using factory 180 grain bullets in sub zero temps (Deer hunting).

IT DOES NOT WORK. You CANNOT read a 2 paragraph blurb on the Intarwebz and suddenly be a masterful marksman capable of hitting vitals from 0-300 simply by zeroing at 249 yards. To even begin to support that idea is folly of the most negligent kind.

Now, the theory DOES work if the shooter does his due diligence. The shooter must use HIS rifle and the ammo HE uses and figure the ranges he wants with the variance from POI/POA that he wants.

You CANNOT rely on someone else to do this for you by reading a 2 paragraph blurb on the web. It will not work. In fact an astute reader will notice the 2 links I provided do not even list barrel lengths or ambient temperature and one of those links is from a manufacturer!!

The Point Blank theory is a wonderful tool IF the shooter does his due diligence to understand how his rifle operates. It is also a terrible crutch if the shooter does no more then read an article and sight in at the recommended zero distance.

The bottom line is that you have to do the work if you are going to have good results at 400 yards. Your rifle will have to be tuned for it and you will have to have made that shot many times on paper to know that it will work.

 

[foggy1111]

OK, to add to my previous post.

I agree with the point blank principle. **** I use it myself. The problem is, like anything, it can be used as a valuable aid or a crutch. MANY shooters will use it as a crutch.

I use it on my competition rifle. A 50 yard zero is the same as a 200 yard zero. So any targets I engage from 0-200 I just aim and go. Of course I have also done a LOT of shooting, and have shot at 25 and 100 to see where I'm hitting.

Now why I dont like the whole "Point blank" theory is most guys are going to read a little blurb on the internet, zero at that range and assume "Hey I can shoot out to 300 yards!" when that ISNT the case. There are a lot of variables in that and if you dumb it down for a "Fudd" he isnt going to really know where hes shooting and most of his hunting will invovle nothing more then a guess as to where he is shooting.

For example, if you do a point blank chart with a 26" barrel using a hot handload with a 150 grain bullet at 100 degree weather (summer) you CANNOT then use that information for a 18" scout type rifle using factory 180 grain bullets in sub zero temps (Deer hunting).

IT DOES NOT WORK. You CANNOT read a 2 paragraph blurb on the Intarwebz and suddenly be a masterful marksman capable of hitting vitals from 0-300 simply by zeroing at 249 yards. To even begin to support that idea is folly of the most negligent kind.

Now, the theory DOES work if the shooter does his due diligence. The shooter must use HIS rifle and the ammo HE uses and figure the ranges he wants with the variance from POI/POA that he wants.

You CANNOT rely on someone else to do this for you by reading a 2 paragraph blurb on the web. It will not work. In fact an astute reader will notice the 2 links I provided do not even list barrel lengths or ambient temperature and one of those links is from a manufacturer!!

The Point Blank theory is a wonderful tool IF the shooter does his due diligence to understand how his rifle operates. It is also a terrible crutch if the shooter does no more then read an article and sight in at the recommended zero distance.

Yep.....actually, we aint too far apart on advice here Specop. Lots of ways to interpret a few paragraphs from an internet topic.....and you cannot list enough exceptions to satisfy everyone.

From your writing....I know that you have been down the long-range, accuracy path from your posts.....as have I.

I get a kick out of guys that have not shot critters at long range.....they show up "out west" after sighting in their gun to print groups on a target at 25 or 100 yards.....and then expect that the bullets are going to impact according to some data chart (as we have referred to here). It MIGHT happen.....but that isn't the real world in my experience. Way too many variables to expect such to be the case.

Thats the "experience and practice" part spoken about earlier.

 

[sandman2234]

David,

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Jack

Jack, I think it is the 30 round magazine they use, mostly...
Anything over a five is illegal here, I think, but some people still insist on doing things despite what the law says.
David from jax